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Post by ilvalto on May 7, 2024 21:42:03 GMT
Hi folks I have been drooling over the French an XI light cavalry sabre for a good while, but it har remained outside of my budget so far and I've always been out-bid in auctions so far..but not giving up a nice specimen popped up on an upcoming auction, and as I sold some surplus bayonets lately, I might for once be in a position of doing a decent bid, an maybe getting one home, for once. thing is, this model I'm looking at seems a bit in too nice a nick for the age it should be? the grip, in particular, looks way too good, so I am genuinely skeptic.. all marks seems to be in the right place, and the writing on the spine seems ok, too..would appreciate any opinion - would you think it's a genuine item, or does this smell good replica? unfortunately I don't have a ton of pictures to go by, the below is the best/most meaningful pictures I have thanks
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Post by pellius on May 7, 2024 22:31:04 GMT
This might be the most faked sword model ever. Dunno if the one you’re looking at is genuine, though.
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Post by bas on May 8, 2024 0:01:14 GMT
Personally I don't like the look of this one. The grip is too clean, most that come on the market have very worn grips. Are there any more photos? What about the scabbard?
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Post by ilvalto on May 8, 2024 16:43:23 GMT
thanks all. Yes, the grip is what threw me off, too - but to be honest I would not be too bothered if that was replaced at a later stage. I went blind trying to look at proved copies, and could not come close to a copy wo well made. even the empire costumes copy is AS good (at least not the poincons) I might fall for it I think..if it's a copy...well fair play to whoever made it, I swallow bait line and sinker..
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Post by pellius on May 8, 2024 21:25:29 GMT
The EC version is terrible, imho.
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Post by ilvalto on May 9, 2024 13:39:24 GMT
wow ok - thought they claim they're the best reproduction on the market...would you know of any reseller/manufacturer of good quality an XI replicas any chance? i'm still scrambling to try to establish if what I'm looking at is a copy or an original that someone desperately and foolishly scrabbed down to a shine, so examples of well-known copies would really help for me to check for a match...thanks
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 9, 2024 14:21:09 GMT
Windlass recently offered one, but afaik no one has reported to got one yet nor made a review.
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Post by pellius on May 9, 2024 14:59:23 GMT
This might be useful to you: www.antique-swords.com/french-an-xiii-cuirassier-sabres.html?fbclid=IwAR2rkWS2pvvfVftNNHnxehnygqvArMl55YXfBdSkjAsc1tjEm8JeVZaYtyoRegarding EC, I have one. The grip is too small to hold the sword with a thumb-up grip, even without gauntlets. It is too thin at the forte and too thick at the foible, with only slight distal taper. Thus, it handles like a crowbar held at the pointy end. At least one member (long ago, now) reported that he bought one to use as a cutter - as advertised - and the blade snapped in two. When he contacted EC, they told him cutting water bottles was abusive use, and declined to warranty the saber. As always, your mileage may vary. My two cents would be to buy from a reputable dealer or a trusted seller. If that’s out of your price range, maybe consider a French 1822 heavy or light cav saber instead. They are not as pretty or (arguably) historically significant, but are way more common and less expensive. They are also easier to find in very good condition. Again imho, the 1822 first gen (before 1850) handles about as well as an ANXI. It was widely copied, and served in active duty for nearly a century. The 1822 heavy handles better than both, and is a far more impressive saber in the hand. In their time they were not liked, so their prices tend to be very reasonable. fwiw
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Post by ilvalto on May 9, 2024 15:12:57 GMT
thanks Pellius. to be honest I am buying with sole scope of putting them on the wall to look at, rather than actually using/cutting stuff with them, so the look/historical originality vs handling is main concern.
I do have an 1822 already, and I'm pig-headed on the an XI at this stage - I'm afraid reputable sellers prices put them well out of my reach for the time being, so I'm stuck with the russian roulette of auction houses.
thanks all for the help and advice!
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Post by shaharwaserman on May 30, 2024 9:29:22 GMT
Hi, really not easy, judging from the pictures, whether the guard was cleaned, usually if a guard was cleaned or buffed, there is an unusuall shine to it which i don't see in the iamges. but for such an old piece I don't expect the brass to be so free of oxidation nor the grip to be so cleaned, and something in the writing on the back is a but too spread to by likings. but as was said before, the copies of this model are not too bad when aged, so ID can be tricky. I'll add photos of my (late production) piece, perhaps it might assist you to copmpare
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