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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Mar 22, 2023 2:15:10 GMT
Hi Guys, I owe you a post about Brazilian republican swords, and I will do so soon. Life has been so busy and I still haven't been able to stop to write and get all the photos. And soon, I will also make a post about a sword from the Brazilian Diplomatic Corps from the time of the republic (early 20th century). I bought this one at auction and it should arrive for me soon. But today I need your help again to identify another smallsword/court sword. This sword was possibly also used here as a court sword during the late Imperial period. I would like your help to identify the possible time of manufacture and even the country of origin of this sword. So, together with a collector and historian friend, we will try to contextualize it here. This sword has some very interesting details. It has an "I.G.B." (or "I.C.G.") marking on the base of the blade. Hard to be sure, but I believe the second letter is G. Is this a manufacturer? I've never heard of this one and I don't know these markings. There are also decorations on the blade that can help with identification, but to me, they look like generic decorations. The decorations on the handle and the shell are very pretty and might be of some help, that's why I'm sending pictures of all the details. But I think that really, to identify the time, I imagine that the most useful are those abbreviations marked on the base of the blade. I already want to thank you for the help and goodwill that you always have here. Thanks a lot for any information.
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 23, 2023 17:10:07 GMT
I'd say Napoleonic. The helmet faces the observer. The knuckle bow is flat and the ends of what used to be the pas d'ane fit. Also the shape of the shell. Here the ends of the ,,pas d'ane'' depict what I think to be dolphins, so, if so, there is a nautical vibe going on. L'Hoste says these were made for Officers and Superior Officers. Some for Generals even. The I.C.B. looks more like I.G.B. and the I as part of say Iohannes will now be spelled as J (Johannes). Cannot find the name anyway. Better to take the picture to www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?s=f29d9b2ab2989ff6dc549e93a5404b18 . I bet it was Solingen made and if so, this would be the right address to go to. Sorry, but this is all I can do. Cheers.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Mar 24, 2023 5:16:59 GMT
I'd say Napoleonic. The helmet faces the observer. The knuckle bow is flat and the ends of what used to be the pas d'ane fit. Also the shape of the shell. Here the ends of the ,,pas d'ane'' depict what I think to be dolphins, so, if so, there is a nautical vibe going on. L'Hoste says these were made for Officers and Superior Officers. Some for Generals even. The I.C.B. looks more like I.G.B. and the I as part of say Iohannes will now be spelled as J (Johannes). Cannot find the name anyway. Better to take the picture to www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?s=f29d9b2ab2989ff6dc549e93a5404b18 . I bet it was Solingen made and if so, this would be the right address to go to. Sorry, but this is all I can do. Cheers. Thank you very much. It's already too much for me to research. The deutsches-blankwaffenforum denied my profile once, maybe because I don't speak German (yet) and my address and Ip is from Brazil, I don't know. But I'll keep trying. Thanks again. Cheers
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 24, 2023 9:16:05 GMT
If you want I could try to post your pictures on DB and ask them about I.G.B?
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Post by pgandy on Mar 24, 2023 12:44:15 GMT
That's a gorgeous sword. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Mar 25, 2023 8:32:43 GMT
If you want I could try to post your pictures on DB and ask them about I.G.B? If you can do that, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 26, 2023 12:00:03 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 26, 2023 17:43:46 GMT
Well, that didn't take long! Ulfberth (Owner and operator of www.seitengewehr.de ) : ,, Johannes & Clemens Beugel.'' I had these two also, but since Bezdek dates them at 1688 - 1705 I dismissed them. Bezdek must be a hundred years off. Can happen. This is discrepancy No.5 I discovered in his lists so far. I will correct the dates in my Bezdek to 1788 - 1805. Dates more befitting the triangular blade profile, the blade decoration style and the Napoleonic hilt. Congratulations! You are now the owner of a smallsword once carried by one of Napoleons Superior Officers. I cannot pin down the scene on the shell exactly. but I think it has something to do with the Trojan Wars. Archilles and stuff. I had to read the Odyssey at school like more than 60 years ago and the old 19th Century translation with its swollen language bored me to death. Never bothered again. Also didn't have Vince Taylor in it, a huge and unforgivable mistake by the author I thought at the time. Cheers.
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Post by Jonathas Nunes on Mar 26, 2023 19:47:56 GMT
Wow, it was really fast. Thank you very much for your willingness to post there and help me to seek more information about this beautiful piece.
Impressive. I really thought the sword would be more recent. So it's really in great shape, really well preserved. It's just a shame it doesn't have the scabbard anymore. Now I will try to raise how and when this sword arrived in my country and what context it could have been used here.
I also had to read the Odyssey at school, in the late 90's, the translation was modern and simple, so I liked it at the time.
Many thanks again for all the information and effort.
ps: great music.
Vielen Dank
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