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Post by toros on Oct 25, 2022 18:25:25 GMT
Can anyone help in identifying this saber? The length of the saber in the scabbard is 104 cm. The length of the saber itself is 96 cm. The width of the blade is 37 mm.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 25, 2022 20:34:06 GMT
Any stamps or marks on the sword or scabbard? Where did ya find this little gem?
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Post by toros on Oct 25, 2022 20:39:24 GMT
I'm just watching, haven't bought yet, there are no markings.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 26, 2022 14:47:03 GMT
Honestly, to my eye, it looks modern. You lurking on Ebay for this? I promise, I won't bid....just curious what the seller says about it.
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Post by toros on Oct 29, 2022 18:59:08 GMT
Could this be the pattern of the 1768 Austrian saber?
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Post by toros on Oct 29, 2022 19:00:33 GMT
It's not on ebay, one collector is considering selling.
Such sent photos.
I write that he suspects it is Austria 1768.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 29, 2022 22:09:32 GMT
Looks right. But really, get more info.
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Post by toros on Oct 30, 2022 13:39:35 GMT
Unfortunately, only this description was sent to me by the owner:
The saber of the Austrian cavalry from the first decade of the 19th century, probably the pattern 1768. A perfectly preserved saber blade, straight, springy, originally chained. The grip and the so-called shark skin. Everything in excellent condition. The scabbard made of thick steel sheet was kept in excellent condition, it was cleaned. folds well with the scabbard.
He knows nothing more, there are no markings on the saber.
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Post by pellius on Oct 30, 2022 15:01:51 GMT
I am not an expert on the model or antique sabers in general.
That said, there are a number of details that lead me to believe this is definitely not an Austrian 1768.
There are a number of other details that lead me to believe this is a modern reproduction.
With all due respect, the details described of the seller’s lack of additional better photos and either better information or an explanation of the lack thereof lead me to believe the OP should seek someone else with whom to do business.
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 31, 2022 15:09:00 GMT
This is the Austrian M1768 LC sabre. Most, if not all, early (Austrian) Hussar sabres had langets in many designs. Yours does not. Württemberg, Bavaria or Preussen, I would like to suggest you look there. Italy maybe too. Some kind of Italian variant of their Artillery sabre. They had some strange stuff over there. Then there is the section of the infamous ,,European Hussar sabre'', the trashbin of the sabre world. My best bet is for you to post the sabre at www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?s=f29d9b2ab2989ff6dc549e93a5404b18and to look here too: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/galerie/lange_seitenwaffen-1.htmlIf your sabre was made in the German speaking realms, these guys know who and what. Another option is oldswords.com/I think the scabbard can be placed in the later 1700's to the early 1800's. The ,,chopper'' style blade too. To me this all points in a general germanesque direction. Maybe not give up on Austria yet. Their ,,catalogue'' is quite messy what with the Hungarian, Balkan and Italian parts of the Empire. Who knows what lurks there? There's this nagging feeling I have seen this model before somewhere, but for the world I cannot pinpoint it at the moment. Another thing: That grip is looking off to me. I'd say there was some work done there. That's my impression, but I could be wrong. This is all I have. Hope you succeed in your mission. Cheers.
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Post by toros on Nov 1, 2022 10:14:17 GMT
Uhlan, thank you very much for all the information and advice.
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