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Post by nddave on Oct 19, 2022 5:42:00 GMT
Enoch of Babylon, You place a pretty deep argument (similar to one I've heard before...) but the fact of the matter is distal taper never has and never will make a sword that much better as you're claiming in hand as it looks on paper. Over focusing on Stats doesn't make a sword better especially when the majority of those stats are scrutinized to the millimeter. From someone who has handled both extensively (being swords with more profound D.T. and swords without) really the handling from one to the other is minimal enough to not even need to be regarded. Does distal tapering improve handling? Yes. Does it really matter when cutting light backyard targets or general longevity and durability in extreme use? No it doesn't. What really makes these new models shine isn't the distal tapering as much as its the focus on accuracy regarding the replication of the antiques these swords are based on. For example having the proper cross section and grip shape is much more important than distal tapering. Especially when not all historical swords within the various typologies had such drastic distal tapering. Some without any at all. Accuracy is more important than keeping to some strict objective view of how a blade should be made when it comes to historical replicas. If you want a specific blade type or statistical measurement, historical replicas probably aren't what you should be interested in. In that regard you should focus on performance focused swords or blade types that are meant to be precise and statistically accurate for modern cutting performance and competitions. For example Atrim Swords. Bottom line a historical Type X is a Type X historicaly. And the more you change its geometry with distal or profile tapering you basically are making it not a historical Type X anymore, or a replica of a specific antique. Then it becomes becomes something else, even if that something else looks like a Type X it will handle differently than a historical Type X or the sword it's meant to be a replica of.
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Post by nddave on Oct 19, 2022 5:53:01 GMT
I think there is room for both too and have always wanted this more so in the European sword Market as it is in the katana market. Hanwei is a good example of this with their various price brackets of katana. If a larger manufacturer like Windlass could do this and keep it up I think it would add that much more to the market overall. Yup yup yup. A thousand times yup. There should be functional swords, at various levels of historical meticulousness, all the way up and down the price spectrum. With, for those purporting historical quality, the prices just fairly reflecting the amount of meticulousness put into them. Some cars are Lambos, some slightly used Corvettes, some Hyundais, and some just-get-me-to-work-and-back beaters. All have their place. They do and they all do their job. Some better than others as far as speed or comfort or attractiveness, lol. I mean to further your car analogy is the Lambo faster and prettier than the Hyundai? Absolutely but does it really matter when the speed limit is 65? Not really because both cars can easily meet the speed limit. I look at it that way with swords too. A $300 Windlass or Hanwei might not be as pretty as a $1000 Albion or Valiant Armory, but they get to 65 on the highway just as well and make the drive. Construction and durability go a lot further in the long run than performance and aesthetics. But if you're paying that much more it should be prettier and be faster. Even if you're only going to ever drive it at 65 mph. |
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Post by nddave on Oct 19, 2022 6:25:43 GMT
Enoch of Babylon , You place a pretty deep argument (similar to one I've heard before...) but the fact of the matter is distal taper never has and never will make a sword that much better as you're claiming in hand as it looks on paper. Over focusing on Stats doesn't make a sword better especially when the majority of those stats are scrutinized to the millimeter. From someone who has handled both extensively (being swords with more profound D.T. and swords without) really the handling from one to the other is minimal enough to not even need to be regarded. Does distal tapering improve handling? Yes. Does it really matter when cutting light backyard targets or general longevity and durability in extreme use? No it doesn't. What really makes these new models shine isn't the distal tapering as much as its the focus on accuracy regarding the replication of the antiques these swords are based on. For example having the proper cross section and grip shape is much more important than distal tapering. Especially when not all historical swords within the various typologies had such drastic distal tapering. Some without any at all. Accuracy is more important than keeping to some strict objective view of how a blade should be made when it comes to historical replicas. If you want a specific blade type or statistical measurement, historical replicas probably aren't what you should be interested in. In that regard you should focus on performance focused swords or blade types that are meant to be precise and statistically accurate for modern cutting performance and competitions. For example Atrim Swords. Bottom line a historical Type X is a Type X historicaly. And the more you change its geometry with distal or profile tapering you basically are making it not a historical Type X anymore, or a replica of a specific antique. Then it becomes becomes something else, even if that something else looks like a Type X it will handle differently than a historical Type X or the sword it's meant to be a replica of. You are looking at this in the wrong way, Dave. It's not the millimeters, it's the percentage. I shared this graph in the other thread sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/69249/single-hand-swords-handling?page=2 discussing the handling of single-handed swords. That's the difference we are talking about here.  Well it's not the distal tapering by itself is the most important factor that determines the handling of a sword, it's the mass distribution. Distal taper is what people emphasize in the context of modern reproductions because it's commonly neglected by modern makers of mass budget production to save time and cost in favor of churning out large quantity regardless of whether they handle like the originals they claim to emulate. While it's relatively easy to judge from photos how authentic the profile, cross section and general fitting designs are, it's almost impossible to tell from just the photos how accurate the thickness and distal taper are, and most manufacturers do not like to tell you the detailed measurements of that. This is the reason distal tapering is the most questioned aspect of a production sword. Back to my comparison between the Albion Sovereign and Windlass type XIV, keep in mind that the type XIV is one of the better examples by Windlass in terms of handling. Their official stats on paper are different, however you have to take into considerations that the products we get generally vary from the stated specs. My Windlass type XIV weighs 1179g, and the Albion Sovereign I own weighs 1190g. Very similar. The blade length of the Windlass is 26.4" and the Albion is 27.5". The base width of the Windlass is 67mm and the Albion's 72mm. Windlass type XIV has a similar profile as the Sovereign with a flared shoulder. The Windlass is a slightly scaled-down version of the Sovereign, and they are comparable as they both try to emulate a number of iconic type XIV swords--the Les Invalides sword, possible the Moonbrand once owned by Ewart Oakeshott, and the "TOTO" sword at Royal Armouries, too. I already laid out the rough measurements of their distal taper and profile taper in the previous post. You can't use a single number to show how it handles, they are sets of continuous data. Now in order to better illustrate mass distribution along the blade, I took measurements of the cross section every 2.25" along both blades--the thickness, the width, the edge bevel, and take the fuller setup into consideration. Here is the graph showing the mass distribution. You can see how vastly different they are. Not only does the Windlass carries way more mass from about 13" from the hilt onward, the percentage of the mass at the top half or the top a third over the entire blade is far greater than that of the Albion's. It's not 4% or 5% difference that is for sure. The Top half of the Albion carries about 23% of the overall mass, while the top half of the Windlass carries about 42% of the overall mass. The difference proportion-wise is 80%-90%. So what is the conclusion? From the graph you can tell the Windlass definitely doesn't handle like a crowbar, which would have pretty much a flat line in terms of mass distribution. It handles like A sword, just not a type XIV arming sword that's for sure. It might be close to a type X or Xa sword if we just consider the blade portion--and not a nimble example of the type X either. Yet it's marketed as a type XIV sword, it's shaped like one, and is expected to function as one. Ideally with a budget sword, you can skim on the quality of fitting material, and the fit and finish. But one, its construction and heat treat should be sound, which I think is on most Windlass swords; two, it should handle like the type of sword it claims to reproduce, which is usually pretty far off. They are still weapons, just not the sword they've taken the appearance of. They are more or less...toys for adults--which is fine if you know what they are. Sharpen well, they can cut well--in the sense that you are going to like what happens to the targets--not so much with how they move in your hand. You can see from the graph that the difference between the Albion and the Windlass is close to that between the Windlass and a flat piece of metal (provided the cross section area is the same as the average of the Windlass). The Windlass is not a crowbar for sure. But from a crowbar to the Windlass is almost the same as from the Windlass to the Albion. This means that if you can't tell the difference between the Albion Sovereign and the Windlass type XIV, you won't be able to tell the difference between a Windlass type XIV and a flat bar, either. If you can tell that the Windlass handles much better than a crow bar, you can tell how different it handles from the Albion. Like I said, this Windlass models still handles like A sword, just not a TYPE XIV sword. And this type XIV model is a better example by Windlass. Others, like the Schloss Erbach by Windlass has a smaller difference from a flat bar than its difference to the original, or a good reproduction like the Arms & Armor (because the original piece is in their possession after Ewart Oakeshott's death). But again this focuses too much on actual statistics and not actual use and handling. For example if a person using a Windlass Type XIV out performs or preforms equally to another using an Albion Sovereign in either cutting or even a duel, does that make all that irrelevant? Basically you're saying it's scientifically impossible for the Windlass to outperform the Albion. I say it's not. Now if we are focusing on the historical accuracy down the millimeter regarding replication. Then yes you have a point regarding the Albion vs the Windlass as the Albion is a more exact replica of the historical original its based on. But that historical sword isn't necessarily the baseline for the Type XIV and is definitely a more exquisite example regarding the original. The orginal itself even to 14th century standards is in fact a high end sword itself. But then you also have more extreme examples of Type XIV swords in history that neither mimic or handle the same as the sword of Philip the IV, like the Moonbrand for a more extreme example. Even the Windlass is lighter and more nimble than that beast of a sword. Regardless the Moonbrand is a Type XIV even though it handling and its statical measurements are night and day from the Philip the IV. But of course any sword replicating the Moonbrand by historical accuracy should handle like the big and heavy Moonbrand to be historically accurate right? Then again this also goes back to the old argument of can a manufacturer like Windlass replicate $1000 swords like Albion on a $300 budget? Obviously not, but they can apparently get pretty damn close for $600-$700, lol. Again you get what you pay for. And for $2000 you definitely get a excellent historical example of a specific Type XIV from Albion. And with these new RA models you also get a excellent historical example of the same Type XIV sword from Windlass. And for $300 you get a pretty damn good replica of the Philip the IV Type XIV, and of course a excellent example of the same model from Albion for $1000. |
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 8:02:08 GMT
But again this focuses too much on actual statistics and not actual use and handling. For example if a person using a Windlass Type XIV out performs or preforms equally to another using an Albion Sovereign in either cutting or even a duel, does that make all that irrelevant? Basically you're saying it's scientifically impossible for the Windlass to outperform the Albion. I say it's not. Now if we are focusing on the historical accuracy down the millimeter regarding replication. Then yes you have a point regarding the Albion vs the Windlass as the Albion is a more exact replica of the historical original its based on. But that historical sword isn't necessarily the baseline for the Type XIV and is definitely a more exquisite example regarding the original. See my preliminary response on the other thread. (Much) more to come. But yeah, you're framing it correctly, Dave; to repeat from over there, being precious about such differences is the diametric opposite of contextualizing swords as a tool of martial art. (By this mentality, "slow" George Foreman was a mere "sculpture of a bronze car" compared to a real one when it comes to being a good boxer. An assertion I'm sure would have surprised many of his opponents. After they woke up.) |
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 8:49:22 GMT
Also, btw, quick lesson in parsing graphs for slanted presentation (very ironic since I was just teaching this past weekend on how not to fall for this for a couple bunches of students with ACTs and MCATs coming up): beware of disproportionate scaling. (Not to mention, oh, something like mixing metric and Imperial units.)
mm^2 on a vertical axis but inches on a truncated horizontal axis? Care to reformat that graph and try again, Enoch?
A sword is THREE-dimensional. In actual physical handling characteristics you have one limiting near-constant on the scale of 685mm, another (width) that averages, what, 50mm? Framing a presentation--of ~1kg object--to make the proportional MMOI difference from ~1 mm or less look dramatic is playing obfuscatory games.
But especially when, again as Dave noted, even should we agree to stick to the historical parameters, it fits a "sword"--and even within the full range of the "type." Theory that doesn't hold up under empirical refutation has a serious problem.
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 9:25:00 GMT
This means that if you can't tell the difference between the Albion Sovereign and the Windlass type XIV, you won't be able to tell the difference between a Windlass type XIV and a flat bar, either. And--more to come--here's the rub. At least by way of conscious perception of things and human performance, you might be far better off that way. If you pick up a 100g pebble and a 500g one and throw it at a target, should you be consciously attending to the difference? Or are you now more likely to send at least one off target? The old phrase across countless sports. "Don't be getting in your head." To wit: note not only does the research show "just noticeable" differences in key joints drops in dynamic vs static conditions, which itself should be curious when differences in MMOI should make conscious notice of them easier--the ( conscious) dynamic discrimination drops and loses consistency ever further as the speed of the motion increases. (e.g. www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-02630-3 ) Why would such an odd thing be? Well, Nature discovering that you don't want obsessing over minutiae to give you the yips. Or as ol' Roy McAvoy puts it, you might be way better off to just "grip it and rip it." |
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Post by curiomansion on Oct 19, 2022 15:41:04 GMT
I hope everyone's enjoying the debates that have arisen from this lineup. You know Windlass + Royal Armouries + Matt Easton hit it out of the park when they can create this much passionate stirrup. That alone shows that these are game changers and for the better. I must chime again!
First off on Oakeshott typologies...I've only recently bought a copy of "Records" by Oakeshott and have been skimming through it regularly. It's a wonderful book and a dream for any sword lover, but I have to say, I don't think the typology is close to finished. I'd be careful in making any general claim about how any type "should" feel. Even in his given examples, each type has specimens in them that vary greatly from one another. Even Oakeshott himself has trouble classifying quite a few swords in the book.
As an avid cutter and hema practitioner (also been fencing since 9 and did 4 years of Kendo), I've always found it more useful to classify swords by handling characteristics and use case than by phenotype, if you will. There are fewer "types" of sword from a functional standpoint and every sword "phenotype" will all yield examples of each functional type. There are "rapiers" that feel like what the community would call "sabers" and there are "sabers" that feel like what the community would call "rapiers." Hand weighted vs Blade weighted, horizontally inclined vs rotationally inclined, heavy-light, etc. Swords were typically tuned for their context, and I would argue that there aren't an endless number of martial contexts swords were designed to encounter. In fact, I would argue that there are fewer meaningful contexts than there are sword designs.
As a pedantic sword lover I have to argue that the little refinements do matter. I'm glad the car analogy came up because I'm also a sim racer and a car lover. The analogy is very apt. Both cars and swords are functional tools that take on an identity beyond their function and foster a wonderful community around themselves. Even if the speed limit is 65, getting to the speed limit in 2.8 seconds and 7.5 seconds is a very big difference. Furthermore, the way such acceleration is achieved makes a difference. Where and how the power is put down, the noise it makes, the stability of the launch, all contribute to the user experience of the car. Drivers of particular cars have developed reputations for being a**holes, and while some of that might be the social implications of certain brands, I would argue a lot of that is tied to the way the cars handle themselves. Some cars just "want" you to drive them more aggressively. If you've ever spent enough time in a Honda Civic, you'll know what I mean. The Civic is not a fast car, but they all have a sporty feel that just makes you want to pretend to go fast. It's not all about performance either...if you've ever driven an old Cadillac or a 90's 7 series (one the most perfect driving cars ever), you'll know the joys of driving slow in a smooth, floating on clouds car-when people are honking behind you to hurry up, you just don't care. Haha. Swords are the same way.
Given enough variety in experience, it's common to start to develop strong preferences to how you like certain things to behave and that's okay. To those who find the more stat pedantic collectors irritating, please understand that it often comes from a place of joy! I promise! haha
As a cheapskate and someone who loves bargains and beaters, I have to again remind my fellow pedants that while we might be willing to pay extra for diminishing returns, the performance gained from swords more expensive than $300 ($120 for katanas) are diminishing, marginal gains. Again, I have to reiterate that I believe those gains to be worth it, but I understand that for many, it's not. I do heavy cutting weekly and drill daily. I'll feel every detail of "most" of my swords every day. For me the little differences bring me joy, but again I understand not everyone is like that. Also, sometimes I do enjoy some irresponsible bashing. I saddens me on some level that most people are either of the snooty performance type or the backyard beater type. Both ways of enjoying swords is great! Also, let's not forget the wall-hanger crowd. It's been my experience that people who handle expensive things are usually able to appreciate other expensive things. If you're a laywer type who wants high end replicas on his wall that will never be cut with or even handled, all power to you, and if you're clientele is bougie enough, they'll notice the quality. Lastly, I want a variety in my collection and don't care about certain types enough to demand a perfect replica of said type. With secondary and tertiary interests, good enough is good enough.
On Windlass...I do think they've been lazy up until this point, but to be fair, the market hasn't demanded more or had the time to push costs down. You can get far more for the money in the Chinese Japanese sword market then you can in the Euro market, but they've had way more time and media exposure to get there. Japanese-mania in the 80's anyone? My experience with Windlass has been cheap costs, impeccable heat treats, B- blade grinds, C- hilt shaping, C- construction. They're basically like buying blanks that you have to finish yourself. So I'm with everyone else who's hoping they'll improve. If not, we've got LK Chen and Cold Steel Machetes.
If you've made it this far thanks for listening to my ramble. At the end of the day, remember the Marie Kondo principle. Does this bring me joy? There's so much to enjoy with cheap and expensive swords. There are a ton of crappy one's out there too.
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Post by cearball on Oct 19, 2022 16:02:26 GMT
Wakefield stats.
Mine are listed below the ones taken from the Royal Armouries website.
Dimensions
Overall: 32"
32"
Blade: 27-1/4", single edge
27"
Guard: 6-1/16" wide overall
6 "
Blade width at ricasso: 1-1/2"
1 7/16 " (1/16 of an inch too short)
Blade is distally tapered: 1/4" thick at guard, 1/16" at tip
Don't have calipers handy
Weight: 1 lb, 15 oz.
1 lb, 10.2 oz
Also the guard is misaligned
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Post by paristheodore on Oct 19, 2022 16:09:23 GMT
I actually just noticed that there is a slight tear in the grip leather on my ix.1106. It doesn’t feel like it wants to move at all, but is this a problem? imgur.com/gallery/jFBrXmb |
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Post by cearball on Oct 19, 2022 16:11:52 GMT
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Post by AJGBlack on Oct 19, 2022 16:27:48 GMT
I personally would contact MRL customer service. That's stuff I'd find acceptable on a $300 or less sword, but on one of these with all the fuss I'd see if you can get a replacement.
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 16:29:28 GMT
... and I would argue that there aren't an endless number of martial contexts swords were designed to encounter. In fact, I would argue that there are fewer meaningful contexts than there are sword designs. ...Given enough variety in experience, it's common to start to develop strong preferences to how you like certain things to behave and that's okay. To those who find the more stat pedantic collectors irritating, please understand that it often comes from a place of joy! I promise! haha This! In perspective. Disagree on the sheer number of contexts, yet paradoxically agree on not overthinking context either. :) That goes back to the "Tin Cup" post; chaos/complexity theory in action, when things are too complex to be controlled, and always will be, ballpark it... and "let go." And yes, as long as it is from joy, going into the details for fun can be, well ... fun! Some days, as is probably obvious, I'll while away hours that way with (probably too much) sword geekery. But some days I won't, and don't feel ashamed as if I'm "ignorant" or a "newb" either. And not only won't be "intellectually" bullied or intimidated as if I am (especially where those trying it are wrong :p ) my fighting back on that trend isn't personal aggrandizement, it's in defense of those who aren't high on the hierarchy on the "inside" not getting the respect, when molehills aren't made to be mountains, that they deserve. Just a thing perhaps from being a professional (mostly science) pedagogue who's seen far too many gifted and/or marginalized students of all ages disrespected in that way. we like the snark about how "dumb" people are (and tear down the "intelligent" when they stumble) but it's at least as often true that, when things aren't overcomplicated or hairs split, the "great unwashed" are smarter than we give them--or they give themselves--credit for. |
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Post by cearball on Oct 19, 2022 16:37:21 GMT
I got it from Royal Armouries.
Techniqually for £210 under the current asking price.
I may only send it back if they are willing to do a straight swap.
I'm also a little disappointed the stats aren't closer to those stated.
I did merely weigh them with kitchen scales & a standard measuring tape but I don't think potential faults in the tools would leave me so far out.
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Post by nddave on Oct 19, 2022 16:40:13 GMT
I got it from Royal Armouries. Techniqually for £210 under the current asking price. I may only send it back if they are willing to do a straight swap. I'm also a little disappointed the stats aren't closer to those stated. I did merely weigh them with kitchen scales & a standard measuring tape but I don't think potential faults in the tools would leave me so far out. That tear is pretty minor and can be easily written off as a handling oops or shipping oops. I don't know if they'll replace it for something so small but never hurts to ask. Scuff and tears will be pretty common if you plan on handling or using the sword. I have plenty of scuffs and tears here and there on my grips even the new re-wraps. It's just part of life with swords, lol. |
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Post by curiomansion on Oct 19, 2022 16:42:08 GMT
... and I would argue that there aren't an endless number of martial contexts swords were designed to encounter. In fact, I would argue that there are fewer meaningful contexts than there are sword designs. ...Given enough variety in experience, it's common to start to develop strong preferences to how you like certain things to behave and that's okay. To those who find the more stat pedantic collectors irritating, please understand that it often comes from a place of joy! I promise! haha This! In perspective. Disagree on the sheer number of contexts, yet paradoxically agree on not overthinking context either.  That goes back to the "Tin Cup" post; chaos/complexity theory in action, when things are too complex to be controlled, and always will be, ballpark it... and "let go." And yes, as long as it is from joy, going into the details for fun can be, well ... fun! Some days, as is probably obvious, I'll while away hours that way with (probably too much) sword geekery. But some days I won't, and don't feel ashamed as if I'm "ignorant" or a "newb" either. And not only won't be "intellectually" bullied or intimidated as if I am (especially where those trying it are wrong  ) my fighting back on that trend isn't personal aggrandizement, it's in defense of those who aren't high on the hierarchy on the "inside" not getting the respect, when molehills aren't made to be mountains, that they deserve. Just a thing perhaps from being a professional (mostly science) pedagogue who's seen far too many gifted and/or marginalized students of all ages disrespected in that way. we like the snark about how "dumb" people are (and tear down the "intelligent" when they stumble) but it's at least as often true that, when things aren't overcomplicated or hairs split, the "great unwashed" are smarter than we give them--or they give themselves--credit for. My main deal is making sure this forum doesn't become like a few other prominent ones that lost its energy from too much snooty energy. Not naming names. Haha |
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Post by paristheodore on Oct 19, 2022 17:12:39 GMT
I got it from Royal Armouries. Techniqually for £210 under the current asking price. I may only send it back if they are willing to do a straight swap. I'm also a little disappointed the stats aren't closer to those stated. I did merely weigh them with kitchen scales & a standard measuring tape but I don't think potential faults in the tools would leave me so far out. That tear is pretty minor and can be easily written off as a handling oops or shipping oops. I don't know if they'll replace it for something so small but never hurts to ask. Scuff and tears will be pretty common if you plan on handling or using the sword. I have plenty of scuffs and tears here and there on my grips even the new re-wraps. It's just part of life with swords, lol. It doesn’t bother me as long as it’s not something that will get bigger, I’m not experienced enough to know what’s to be expected and what’s an issue. |
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 17:25:27 GMT
My main deal is making sure this forum doesn't become like a few other prominent ones that lost its energy from too much snooty energy. Not naming names. Haha No need to when apparently some aren't even using their real ones atm. ;) |
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Post by nddave on Oct 19, 2022 17:30:19 GMT
That tear is pretty minor and can be easily written off as a handling oops or shipping oops. I don't know if they'll replace it for something so small but never hurts to ask. Scuff and tears will be pretty common if you plan on handling or using the sword. I have plenty of scuffs and tears here and there on my grips even the new re-wraps. It's just part of life with swords, lol. It doesn’t bother me as long as it’s not something that will get bigger, I’m not experienced enough to know what’s to be expected and what’s an issue. Judging by the pic it shouldn't just keep it away from cats and leaning it on sharper surfaces and you should be fine. |
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Post by LeMal on Oct 19, 2022 18:01:24 GMT
My main deal is making sure this forum doesn't become like a few other prominent ones that lost its energy from too much snooty energy. Not naming names. Haha I hear you. I’m also cool with the few people living the alternative reality. If it has been working for them, more power to them! It gets a bit problematic though, when the Flat-Earthers start to lose sanity and launch waves of personal attacks on people who live in the reality, I thought I just heard them boldly claim “my beliefs don’t require others to believe”, seems a but contradictory when they simultaneously launch personal attacks at people who don’t agree with them. Comparing actually understanding the physics in context to "alternative reality" and "Flat Earther"-ism. Have you ever met a chance at hyperbole--let alone in its most extreme form--you didn't like... "Enoch"? |
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Post by curiomansion on Oct 19, 2022 18:12:05 GMT
My main deal is making sure this forum doesn't become like a few other prominent ones that lost its energy from too much snooty energy. Not naming names. Haha I hear you. I’m also cool with the few people living the alternative reality. If it has been working for them, more power to them! It gets a bit problematic though, when the Flat-Earthers start to lose sanity and launch waves of personal attacks on people who live in the reality, I thought I just heard them boldly claim “my beliefs don’t require others to believe”, seems a but contradictory when they simultaneously launch personal attacks at people who don’t agree with them. That's definitely a problem. I hope it was clear on my post that I was trying to calm both sides down. The more I collect, the more I find myself gravitating towards high end and low end replicas and have appreciation for both. I think because these are luxury goods at the end of the day, people who spend a lot and people who spend a little get overly defensive about their purchasing habits. This seems to lead to a lot of fights, which I think are unnecessary. Also, there's a good deal of personal taste involved in how you build your collection, so people get personally defensive over criticism of things they love. To reiterate a point I made in an earlier post, I think the fact that this lineup is creating such harsh feelings shows that the team succeeded. I've been drilling with the 14th Century Arming sword for the past few days and it's a wonderful sword. The market will have to adjust if these become readily available. I consider this barely a high end replica at a mid tier price. Super exciting. |
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That goes back to the "Tin Cup" post; chaos/complexity theory in action, when things are too complex to be controlled, and always will be, ballpark it... and "let go."
) my fighting back on that trend isn't personal aggrandizement, it's in defense of those who aren't high on the hierarchy on the "inside" not getting the respect, when molehills aren't made to be mountains, that they deserve.
