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Post by howler on Dec 23, 2022 1:02:32 GMT
When you can get the Coldsteel OSS on Amazon for $66.38(Just grabbed another), why even look at that thing anymore lol 9oz of 8-inch, double-edged bladed goodness, Light speed. I know you will love it. Oh yeah. My original "go to" light weight rib tickling hog sticker. Paid $49 for my Carbon V version. Seems the only real advantage is if you need lighter, more compact, concealable tool...and I'm thinking all those push daggers you have in such a realm. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 2:30:01 GMT
When you can get the Coldsteel OSS on Amazon for $66.38(Just grabbed another), why even look at that thing anymore lol 9oz of 8-inch, double-edged bladed goodness, Light speed. I know you will love it. I wish I could find that kind of deal lol. But for the record, it's not my design of a knife. It's not a knife I would take to war either. Knowing me, I would be lugging my apoc broadsword hoping it qualifies as a knife by army standards |
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Post by howler on Dec 23, 2022 2:50:09 GMT
When you can get the Coldsteel OSS on Amazon for $66.38(Just grabbed another), why even look at that thing anymore lol 9oz of 8-inch, double-edged bladed goodness, Light speed. I know you will love it. I wish I could find that kind of deal lol. But for the record, it's not my design of a knife. It's not a knife I would take to war either. Knowing me, I would be lugging my apoc broadsword hoping it qualifies as a knife by army standards Knife pricing in Canada is horrid, you have my sympathy, Trap.  For military, the double edge and non full tang, thinner blade, hollow grind make the OSS less than ideal, utility wise. The question for soldiers is, (assuming a larger blade is a better one) how much weight you want to hump around all day along with that heavy pack on your back? If you are in a vehicle without carrying a heavy load and just going door to door in an urban environment...hell, I'd rock a bowie/tomahawk combo.  Some of the hot spots troops have been in have sported healthy blade cultures, so big respect for knarly steel "tools". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 2:57:05 GMT
I wish I could find that kind of deal lol. But for the record, it's not my design of a knife. It's not a knife I would take to war either. Knowing me, I would be lugging my apoc broadsword hoping it qualifies as a knife by army standards Knife pricing in Canada is horrid, you have my sympathy, Trap. For military, the double edge and non full tang, thinner blade, hollow grind make the OSS less than ideal, utility wise. The question for soldiers is, (assuming a larger blade is a better one) how much weight you want to hump around all day along with that heavy pack on your back? If you are in a vehicle without carrying a heavy load and just going door to door in an urban environment...hell, I'd rock a bowie/tomahawk combo. Some of the hot spots troops have been in have sported healthy blade cultures, so big respect for knarly steel "tools". Yea I haven't even boughten any new weapons or armour due to prices over here. It's too discouraging to buy something for 200$ then go online and hear some American say it was over priced for the 25$ he spent on it, and there is much better deals (that of course, Canadian companies will NEVER import) As for lugging that sword around, that's how I roll. Everytime I go visit in other towns, my gym bag, full of clothes, armour and gear, is usually like 60lbs minimum lol. I'm ridiculous that way |
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Post by howler on Dec 23, 2022 3:29:09 GMT
I think, for military, something like the traditional Ka-bar fighting knife, but with a more robust spine (close, if not full tang) and a stronger tip that will not break. Thin, acute tips are great for penetration in pure fighting knives, but you might decide to sacrifice some stabbing ability for better prying, digging, carving geometry. It is a balance of gains and losses the soldier must decide on. Something like the discontinued Nightedge designed by Elishewitz for Blackhawk blades checks many boxes, with full tang, tough but stabby tip, and not super large/heavy.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Dec 23, 2022 13:20:58 GMT
...The question for soldiers is, (assuming a larger blade is a better one) how much weight you want to hump around all day along with that heavy pack on your back? ... I can answer that: it doesn't matter. Here's how it works. In every army, in every culture, in every war, a soldier carries between 60-80lbs (27-36kg) of gear. Period. End of discussion. Now, how that weight is divided up into gear is variable. In WWII the weight was mostly the helmet, rifle, grenades and ammo, with a backpack containing socks, shaving gear, etc.. Modern soldiers with the same weight load carry 40 pieces of "lightweight gear". You have a lightweight radio with lightweight batteries, a lightweight helmet with lightweight optics, a lightweight rifle, lightweight rain gear, lightweight infrared markers, lightweight GPS, lightweight sleeping bag, lightweight crew served weapon, lightweight lightweight gear carrying vest and lightweight backpack with lightweight assault pack. We use used to say that we would "carry around 100lbs of lightweight sh*t. " 80lbs of lead, or 80lbs of chicken feathers. Still 80lbs. I spent 22 years in the Army and trained and deployed with our NATO allies many times. I've heard soldiers from all over the world complain about everything under the sun (including the sun itself). But never, not once, ever did I hear any soldier from any army gripe about the weight of their knife. It's probably the one piece of gear that a soldier will carry both the issue knife and one or more personal knives. Never a complaint about the weight. |
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Post by seth on Dec 23, 2022 14:31:17 GMT
Lindybeige has two great interviews with a British volunteer who has been fighting in Ukraine. The second video talks about what gear was GTG and what wasn't. He talks about what blades came in handy. Despite the seriousness of the topic, it is riotously funny in spots. Well worth a watch.
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Post by howler on Dec 23, 2022 21:00:22 GMT
...The question for soldiers is, (assuming a larger blade is a better one) how much weight you want to hump around all day along with that heavy pack on your back? ... I can answer that: it doesn't matter. Here's how it works. In every army, in every culture, in every war, a soldier carries between 60-80lbs (27-36kg) of gear. Period. End of discussion. Now, how that weight is divided up into gear is variable. In WWII the weight was mostly the helmet, rifle, grenades and ammo, with a backpack containing socks, shaving gear, etc.. Modern soldiers with the same weight load carry 40 pieces of "lightweight gear". You have a lightweight radio with lightweight batteries, a lightweight helmet with lightweight optics, a lightweight rifle, lightweight rain gear, lightweight infrared markers, lightweight GPS, lightweight sleeping bag, lightweight crew served weapon, lightweight lightweight gear carrying vest and lightweight backpack with lightweight assault pack. We use used to say that we would "carry around 100lbs of lightweight sh*t. " 80lbs of lead, or 80lbs of chicken feathers. Still 80lbs. I spent 22 years in the Army and trained and deployed with our NATO allies many times. I've heard soldiers from all over the world complain about everything under the sun (including the sun itself). But never, not once, ever did I hear any soldier from any army gripe about the weight of their knife. It's probably the one piece of gear that a soldier will carry both the issue knife and one or more personal knives. Never a complaint about the weight. Heck, then they should all be rocking minimum 9"-12" bladed, 1 1/2 lb. kukri & bowie knives.  Sounds like you are in the bigger blade camp.  , and I was not in the service so I'm just parroting what I hear. I agree the carry weight will be just about everything you can (always has been, always will be), it's just that you might choose more ammo or whatever, and also agree most troops will also have smaller knives along with a main fixed blade. On YouTube there is a guy called The Tactical Rifleman, subject fixed blade knives (Karl) who talked about the subject and carried a big blade similar to a bowie/kukri (Mamba, I think the name was) with over a 9" blade. He eventually opted for a smaller knife, but I disagree with his reasoning because he thought the smaller blade he chose (WAAAY lighter and shorter Blackhawk Nightedge) could still chop (I believe he was wrong on that one). Should clearly be a choice for each soldier, if indeed they have a choice. In the end, many soldiers pick something that does mundane utility tasks over any crazy hand to hand stuff you would never statistically find yourself in...or WANT TO find yourself in.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Dec 23, 2022 21:22:36 GMT
A soldier will have his issued knife, weight or concealability notwithstanding. A secondary knife would be a kabar style mostly, but that depends highly on the Command and your Sergeant Major as to whether or not you'll even be allowed to wear a non-issue pig sticker. A pocket knife is a personal choice and varies according to what's popular at the moment, Spyderco being a favorite. My preference was a stainless locking folder, usually a Gerber, but not an expensive one because they would be lost or destroyed in a few months no matter the brand. A multi-tool is useless, completely
useless. Same with wristwatches, cheap was best because of their high mortality rate.
You could always tell REMFS from forward soldiers because they always had Gucciflage and expensive jewelry.
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Post by freq on Dec 24, 2022 22:17:47 GMT
was working with a young guy (18) who just quit to join the army, wants to be special forces, but joined up as infantryman to start with, showed him this and he thought it was super cool, my thinking is he has played too much call of duty as seems to think that special forces/infantry is all kicking in doors guns blazing wearing all the cool gear, and thinks karambits are awesome , so this was totaly his cup of tea,i hope hes never in a suituation to find out how useful/not this is, all i think is someone at zu is one hell of a salesperson and has convinced the army this is the way to go,
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For military, the double edge and non full tang, thinner blade, hollow grind make the OSS less than ideal, utility wise. The question for soldiers is, (assuming a larger blade is a better one) how much weight you want to hump around all day along with that heavy pack on your back? If you are in a vehicle without carrying a heavy load and just going door to door in an urban environment...hell, I'd rock a bowie/tomahawk combo. 
Some of the hot spots troops have been in have sported healthy blade cultures, so big respect for knarly steel "tools".
Sounds like you are in the bigger blade camp. 
, and I was not in the service so I'm just parroting what I hear. I agree the carry weight will be just about everything you can (always has been, always will be), it's just that you might choose more ammo or whatever, and also agree most troops will also have smaller knives along with a main fixed blade. On YouTube there is a guy called The Tactical Rifleman, subject fixed blade knives (Karl) who talked about the subject and carried a big blade similar to a bowie/kukri (Mamba, I think the name was) with over a 9" blade. He eventually opted for a smaller knife, but I disagree with his reasoning because he thought the smaller blade he chose (WAAAY lighter and shorter Blackhawk Nightedge) could still chop (I believe he was wrong on that one). Should clearly be a choice for each soldier, if indeed they have a choice. In the end, many soldiers pick something that does mundane utility tasks over any crazy hand to hand stuff you would never statistically find yourself in...or WANT TO find yourself in.
Things have changed!