pbrause
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Post by pbrause on Jun 23, 2022 19:26:37 GMT
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Post by pbrause on Jun 23, 2022 19:36:25 GMT
Hello all! I’m desperately trying to identify this sword I bought on EBay. I purchased it thinking that the handle was wrapped in wire as per the sellers description. When it got to me the blade was bent noticeably and the grip was wrapped in painted string. I couldn’t get a refund from the seller despite the fact that he misrepresented sword.
Now that I’ve corrected the issues with the sword, I’m interested in learning more about its origin. The seller said that he purchased it with some German swords and it closely resembles a 19th century Bavarian cavalry saber. I have a couple of Civil War Sabres and this feels very light by comparison.
Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Sorry if I’ve committed any faux pas by stepping out of the beginners forum.
Thank you,
Peter
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 23, 2022 19:49:41 GMT
Sorry if I’ve committed any faux pas by stepping out of the beginners forum. Thank you, Peter Not at all, this place isn't that snooty about things. I mean, they've tolerated me here for years now.
Without any markings, I'm not sure how to figure out what it is.
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Post by eastman on Jun 24, 2022 0:36:23 GMT
and this section will have better visibility for the people who might know the answer
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Post by pbrause on Jun 24, 2022 14:01:37 GMT
Thank you Eastman and Treeslicer. It's a serviceable weapon now and looks good on the wall. Ebay eventually refunded the $299 I paid for it even though the seller refused. I wasn't even required to return it to the shady seller in Croatia.
The grip repair was satisfying and the bent blade was corrected with a little effort. I'm looking for another project sword. I dream of finding a beat-up pattern 1796 British Light Cavalry Saber or 1811 Blucher.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 24, 2022 17:27:02 GMT
Sounds like you came out as a winner. 😁
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Post by pbrause on Jun 24, 2022 19:26:31 GMT
Thanks pgandy, It was a tiresome but rewarding journey. Dozens of phone calls and emails to eBay. I went back and forth with the seller for a while, trying to negotiate a refund. He called me a liar and made his own complaint. Even when I sent pictures of the painted string wrap I cut off. In the end, I'm only out the $65 shipping fee for an unmarked mystery saber.
BTW: What's your poison when it comes to swords? I'm guessing something a Crusader might carry.
Have a great weekend!
Peter
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Post by vmivol on Jun 27, 2022 17:25:54 GMT
Looks like a Bayrisch artillery or train extrasabel. There is also a prussian mounted officer saber that is similar. I have seen some imports to the US with similar hilt and a British 1845 pattern blade or the prussian blade. You can fid the Eichorn catalogue link at deutsche blankwfaffen forum. www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/Eickhorn/53.html
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Post by pbrause on Jun 27, 2022 19:45:17 GMT
Thank you so much vmivol! I tried to reply earlier but I must have misfired my response. The guide is a big help. I agree that it looks like the 833 Bayerischer Train-Extrasabel. I tried to translate but only got "Bavarian Train..." (I assume sabel means sword or saber). Thanks again!
Best regards,
Peter
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Post by pbrause on Jun 27, 2022 20:40:12 GMT
FYI: I found the information below after following the clues you provided."Extrasabel" literally means "extra saber" and refers to a sword that soldiers might wear while off duty. A private purchase item and not meant for heavy use (if at all). I'm not too disappointed, as I never imagined it would hold up to violent, sustained flailing and stabbing. Very cool and (mostly) free $65 educational experience overall. I'm very pleased that eBay gave me a refund based on the improper grip material description. Bonus: I learned how to install a serviceable grip. I think I can put this question to rest now... These were called ,,Mannschaft Extra Sabel''. To be worn outside of the barracks in the civilian world. As such they had to be very light compared to the real deal. Were made for show mostly. To awe the girls and the population in general. Some were gifts of buddies when the trooper reached the end of his service. These were marked (etched) ,,In memory of my time at regiment such and such '' + date. The Extra sabres were not on the army books (Kammer stuck), as they were private purchase. Only a sabre (weapon) issued by the Kammer could and should have regimental numbers, the date of acceptance on the spine with a tax stamp underneath and inspection stamps on all parts. As the sabre above is not a Kammer piece I think the regimental numbers are spurious. But. And there we go again... Some troopers had permission to store their sabre in barracks, so these could have a rack number. www.zietenhusar.wg.am/blankwaffen/ and to this forum: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?s=f29d9b2ab2989ff6dc549e93a5404b18 . Run both links through Google Translate if you do not read German. These two are the best sources for answers about anything even remotely German weaponry related. Although these ,,Extra'' sabres or ,,Degen'' had nothing on the real service weapon qua heft and build, these were not made badly at all. Do not get me wrong. They are just not made for battle.
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