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Post by mountainsylph on Apr 25, 2022 14:47:18 GMT
Seeing as according to him the tests he performed showed that it didn't do really well in terms of performance, what do you think of maybe APOC's broad sword in comparison to that?
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Post by unistat76 on Apr 26, 2022 1:09:32 GMT
Like Shad, I really wanted to like that sword.
While he is a funny guy and (by his own admition) somewhat silly, I think he is experienced enough in HEMA to know what he is talking about.
So, I would probably pass on the sword based on his review.
I would not take is as a blanket rejjection of the whole APOC line though. It seems to be pretty difficult to get wasp waisted swords correct in terms of balance and weight.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 4:33:38 GMT
Like Shad, I really wanted to like that sword. While he is a funny guy and (by his own admition) somewhat silly, I think he is experienced enough in HEMA to know what he is talking about. So, I would probably pass on the sword based on his review. I would not take is as a blanket rejjection of the whole APOC line though. It seems to be pretty difficult to get wasp waisted swords correct in terms of balance and weight. Shad doesn't do HEMA lol. He and his buddies giggling and tapping each other with larp weapons isn't HEMA. I like the swords for what theyre designes for: zombies. It has the weight and stiffness to do the right sort of damage you would want to do to a skull. It also has the necessary stiffness to be trusted into heavy objects without bending on impact and losing energy, perfect for thrusting against skulls, and through bones. The sword is designed with delimbing and durability, not to mention heavy chops that could break bone, of the edge dulled. The creteria he judged this one was for sort of a niche purpose He didn't do enough thrusting tests, he was too focused on the ability to chop it into wood, and nothing else I like his content sometimes, but he is far from a sword expert. I would rather watch Matt Easton for that, or Skallagrim, cause they have actual HEMA training Heck, I bet zombie go boom would do a better review. They actually use good targets
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 27, 2022 7:16:06 GMT
I don’t have a lot of time to respond to this right now, but I need to say that Shad’s take on the sword was pretty mind numbing. Of course a thin machete-like blade will bite deeper into a board than the thicker sword. That doesn’t translate to superior cutting power on all targets.
I have all the APOC swords but the katana now. The wasteland gladius handles pretty well and is a tank of a blade. It won’t perform as well on cuts as some others, but it’s versatile. I do prefer the broadsword and cutlass as single handers. The gladius is decidedly a short two hander.
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Post by unistat76 on Apr 27, 2022 23:51:42 GMT
Like Shad, I really wanted to like that sword. While he is a funny guy and (by his own admition) somewhat silly, I think he is experienced enough in HEMA to know what he is talking about. So, I would probably pass on the sword based on his review. I would not take is as a blanket rejjection of the whole APOC line though. It seems to be pretty difficult to get wasp waisted swords correct in terms of balance and weight. Shad doesn't do HEMA lol. He and his buddies giggling and tapping each other with larp weapons isn't HEMA. I like the swords for what theyre designes for: zombies. It has the weight and stiffness to do the right sort of damage you would want to do to a skull. It also has the necessary stiffness to be trusted into heavy objects without bending on impact and losing energy, perfect for thrusting against skulls, and through bones. The sword is designed with delimbing and durability, not to mention heavy chops that could break bone, of the edge dulled. The creteria he judged this one was for sort of a niche purpose He didn't do enough thrusting tests, he was too focused on the ability to chop it into wood, and nothing else I like his content sometimes, but he is far from a sword expert. I would rather watch Matt Easton for that, or Skallagrim, cause they have actual HEMA training Heck, I bet zombie go boom would do a better review. They actually use good targets He doesn't do HEMA on his channel, it's not a HEMA focused channel. He does talk about his experience in martial arts and HEMA from time to time. I wouldn't call him a sword expert either, but neither would I call him a novice.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 28, 2022 0:00:37 GMT
I wouldn’t call him an expert on anything but the Sword of Laban and maybe castles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 0:54:44 GMT
Shad doesn't do HEMA lol. He and his buddies giggling and tapping each other with larp weapons isn't HEMA. I like the swords for what theyre designes for: zombies. It has the weight and stiffness to do the right sort of damage you would want to do to a skull. It also has the necessary stiffness to be trusted into heavy objects without bending on impact and losing energy, perfect for thrusting against skulls, and through bones. The sword is designed with delimbing and durability, not to mention heavy chops that could break bone, of the edge dulled. The creteria he judged this one was for sort of a niche purpose He didn't do enough thrusting tests, he was too focused on the ability to chop it into wood, and nothing else I like his content sometimes, but he is far from a sword expert. I would rather watch Matt Easton for that, or Skallagrim, cause they have actual HEMA training Heck, I bet zombie go boom would do a better review. They actually use good targets He doesn't do HEMA on his channel, it's not a HEMA focused channel. He does talk about his experience in martial arts and HEMA from time to time. I wouldn't call him a sword expert either, but neither would I call him a novice. He is experienced in TKD and that's certainly helpful when trynna interpret manuscripts, but I don't think he's taken any formal classes. I don't recall him saying anything about taking hema. Unless he's referring to the foam sword sparring he's done with people of his group Hema actually requires period accurate equipment, and learning techniques and trying to understand how they might be utilized with sparring. I dunno if he does that. I've not seen many interpretations from manuals from him, so it's hard to detirmine what he actually knows Im not saying he doesn't know anything. But what he does isn't really considered hema and I agree with the people who have expressed similar sentiments
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 0:56:50 GMT
I don’t have a lot of time to respond to this right now, but I need to say that Shad’s take on the sword was pretty mind numbing. Of course a thin machete-like blade will bite deeper into a board than the thicker sword. That doesn’t translate to superior cutting power on all targets. I have all the APOC swords but the katana now. The wasteland gladius handles pretty well and is a tank of a blade. It won’t perform as well on cuts as some others, but it’s versatile. I do prefer the broadsword and cutlass as single handers. The gladius is decidedly a short two hander. Yea my thoughts exactly. The swords should also be judged with their design intent in mind too. Hey, can you do a review on the broadsword? Or even just share what you thought of it, and thoughts you've had when practicing with it Sorry if this derails the thread, another can prolly be made, or you can even PM your thoughts on it. Whatever you wanna do as far as that goes
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Post by unistat76 on Apr 28, 2022 1:16:35 GMT
While I'm pretty sure he has mentioned some HEMA training in passing, I'm not really trying to argue or defend that point on his behalf.
In fact, it's not actually germaine to the review. He isn't evaluating it as a historical sword but its use in a modern context.
The criteria he used to evaluate the sword was similar to why I was interested in it. So for me, the review was very informative.
It might actually be quite a nice modern two handed sword, but that's not really a gladius is it? Maybe it's an APOC Wasteland Spatha?
In any case, I'm not trying to disuade anyone from buying this if they want, but I am looking for something that is easier to manage one handed.
As a matter of fact, I just got home from church and the CS Gladius Machete was waiting at the door for me. While it isn't a sword, it has the virtue of being cheap.
It has been out of stock almost everywhere for a while, so I was happy to see a couple of places had it and I ordered it right away.
Completely dull out of the box. I'm going to have to spend some time with it on 5he belt grinder and stones to get it usable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 2:05:09 GMT
Yea, from a fighting perspective, I would much rather use my J&L tactical bastard sword. It's similar, a one handed sword with a grip that could fit two hands (tho its snug on the broadsword). Might lighter and I bet it would do better cuts with good edge alignment, tho a stiff blade is more forgiving to a bad cut, perfect for a zombie situation
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 28, 2022 6:39:00 GMT
I don’t have a lot of time to respond to this right now, but I need to say that Shad’s take on the sword was pretty mind numbing. Of course a thin machete-like blade will bite deeper into a board than the thicker sword. That doesn’t translate to superior cutting power on all targets. I have all the APOC swords but the katana now. The wasteland gladius handles pretty well and is a tank of a blade. It won’t perform as well on cuts as some others, but it’s versatile. I do prefer the broadsword and cutlass as single handers. The gladius is decidedly a short two hander. Yea my thoughts exactly. The swords should also be judged with their design intent in mind too. Hey, can you do a review on the broadsword? Or even just share what you thought of it, and thoughts you've had when practicing with it Sorry if this derails the thread, another can prolly be made, or you can even PM your thoughts on it. Whatever you wanna do as far as that goes As far as the broadsword goes… it’s honestly the APOC I was least excited about, but it turned out to be extremely fun to handle. It’s not the best bottle cutter due to being pretty thick and the factory edge being both obtuse and not particularly sharp (my APOCs have been hit and miss with sharpness) but MAN, it sings through the air. It makes a very audible tachikaze on a good swing, it feels easy to accelerate and like it would do serious damage. It’s fine for thrusting too. I actually like it a lot better than the Tac Brutus. Broadsword’s not the most nimble sword by any means, but I do enjoy playing with weightier blades at times, especially when they seem to accelerate fairly easily like this one. The Yataghan is still by far the most useful APOC for utility or actual tactical use (carried as a backup to firearms). I take it backpacking on about half my trips. But the broadsword is my favorite for sword exercises and drilling. It feels like a tactical Viking sword. It’s awesome with a Cold Steel buckler or soldier’s targe.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 28, 2022 8:26:57 GMT
Yeah, the broadsword, not a beauty, but a good allround sword, rather a short longsword than a long shortsword! And 2/3 lb less weight compared to the gladius. The katana is interesting, extremely light and nimble blade with a relative heavy hilt. Usable single handed easily, swung with both hands feels a little bit like overpowering. The new longsword is big but with good handling, even single handed, but right for two handed use. My broadsword and the kat arrived together and my first thought was that the broadsword is heavier than the katana.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 21:07:09 GMT
Yea my thoughts exactly. The swords should also be judged with their design intent in mind too. Hey, can you do a review on the broadsword? Or even just share what you thought of it, and thoughts you've had when practicing with it Sorry if this derails the thread, another can prolly be made, or you can even PM your thoughts on it. Whatever you wanna do as far as that goes As far as the broadsword goes… it’s honestly the APOC I was least excited about, but it turned out to be extremely fun to handle. It’s not the best bottle cutter due to being pretty thick and the factory edge being both obtuse and not particularly sharp (my APOCs have been hit and miss with sharpness) but MAN, it sings through the air. It makes a very audible tachikaze on a good swing, it feels easy to accelerate and like it would do serious damage. It’s fine for thrusting too. I actually like it a lot better than the Tac Brutus. Broadsword’s not the most nimble sword by any means, but I do enjoy playing with weightier blades at times, especially when they seem to accelerate fairly easily like this one. The Yataghan is still by far the most useful APOC for utility or actual tactical use (carried as a backup to firearms). I take it backpacking on about half my trips. But the broadsword is my favorite for sword exercises and drilling. It feels like a tactical Viking sword. It’s awesome with a Cold Steel buckler or soldier’s targe. I was wondering if that obtuse edge geometry would be a problem on light targets tbh. I can see it being great (not just at performance, but at durability) against a zombie go boom skull. I wish their channel was still successful, I bet they would love these swords and would have found their virtues in their testing Heck, I wonder how well they would do against meat? I can see them shining there Funny enough I am looking at the cold steel soldiers targe. Combined with a broadsword, it's like a compact viking sword and shield Yeah, the broadsword, not a beauty, but a good allround sword, rather a short longsword than a long shortsword! And 2/3 lb less weight compared to the gladius. The katana is interesting, extremely light and nimble blade with a relative heavy hilt. Usable single handed easily, swung with both hands feels a little bit like overpowering. The new longsword is big but with good handling, even single handed, but right for two handed use. My broadsword and the kat arrived together and my first thought was that the broadsword is heavier than the katana. I'm jealous of the long sword lol. I would have waited a bit if I knew they were making one. I'm pleased to hear its nimble in the hands. I do love my broadsword tho
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Post by mountainsylph on Apr 28, 2022 21:51:42 GMT
Yea, from a fighting perspective, I would much rather use my J&L tactical bastard sword. It's similar, a one handed sword with a grip that could fit two hands (tho its snug on the broadsword). Might lighter and I bet it would do better cuts with good edge alignment, tho a stiff blade is more forgiving to a bad cut, perfect for a zombie situation Mind if I ask, what does J&L stand for? Tried to search it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 22:29:25 GMT
Yea, from a fighting perspective, I would much rather use my J&L tactical bastard sword. It's similar, a one handed sword with a grip that could fit two hands (tho its snug on the broadsword). Might lighter and I bet it would do better cuts with good edge alignment, tho a stiff blade is more forgiving to a bad cut, perfect for a zombie situation Mind if I ask, what does J&L stand for? Tried to search it up. He goes by Driggers on the forum, he makes wonderful swords, but theyre a bit hard to come by these days. I have a sword he called "miss flexie" and sold at a discount to me, due to making it more flexible than he intended, and what I dub a "Tactical Hand and a Half" sword.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Apr 30, 2022 11:04:02 GMT
Yea, from a fighting perspective, I would much rather use my J&L tactical bastard sword. It's similar, a one handed sword with a grip that could fit two hands (tho its snug on the broadsword). Might lighter and I bet it would do better cuts with good edge alignment, tho a stiff blade is more forgiving to a bad cut, perfect for a zombie situation Mind if I ask, what does J&L stand for? Tried to search it up. I'm the L in J & L, the J is my wife Jeri she does the grip work and some of the guard and pommel work.
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Post by cearball on Aug 9, 2022 21:38:46 GMT
What is the general consensus for which of the APOC swords (20 " +blade) is the best or top 3 if you will?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Aug 10, 2022 11:07:16 GMT
I don't know a general consensus. I own three, katana, broadsword and longsword, and I like all of them. Why buying a 200 bucks tactical sword when you can have much cheaper, durable and agile sword machetes from CS? The only sense I see is to get a blade with distal taper and other tricks to get a good mass distribution and a nimble handling. Short and heavy beaters can be made by many forges but the Cas Iberia know how (Dragon King for the APOCs) about making tapered blades and using 9260 steel does its best in longer lighter blades I think. So I bought the katana with its extremely light blade, the longsword with its very nimble blade for its size and the broadsword, shorter and with blade presence but not as heavy as the gladius. And not the much heavier gladius or the cutlass. I had the same thoughts with my two Zombie Tools swords, the Apokatana and the D'Capitan, the two longest ZT blades. and
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Post by cearball on Aug 10, 2022 16:15:20 GMT
I don't know a general consensus. I own three, katana, broadsword and longsword, and I like all of them. Why buying a 200 bucks tactical sword when you can have much cheaper, durable and agile sword machetes from CS? The only sense I see is to get a blade with distal taper and other tricks to get a good mass distribution and a nimble handling. Short and heavy beaters can be made by many forges but the Cas Iberia know how (Dragon King for the APOCs) about making tapered blades and using 9260 steel does its best in longer lighter blades I think. So I bought the katana with its extremely light blade, the longsword with its very nimble blade for its size and the broadsword, shorter and with blade presence but not as heavy as the gladius. And not the much heavier gladius or the cutlass. I had the same thoughts with my two Zombie Tools swords, the Apokatana and the D'Capitan, the two longest ZT blades. and I think the more I look at the line the katana would be my choice. From memory don't you also have the Banshee? How does it compare to the APOC line?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 17:28:45 GMT
I own the Broadsword and I love it, it's a bit sluggish in handling, but I don't see it as a nimble fighting sword. A nimble fighting sword would have difficulty biting into a zombie skull, instead best as thrusting organs, cutting vital arteries and so on. But the APOC line is designed to be used "on zombies" so I imagine they're intended to be hard hitters, capable of standing the strain of being used on thick bones like skulls
You could use a TH dotunaki modern steel katana just as easily for this, but if you crave the shorter, stiffer, heavier blade of a TH Dotunaki and are off put by how light and flexible European swords can be, the APOC line is perfect. But if you are just looking for a tactical design of a standard European sword, and expect the same handling and characteristics, there are better swords for it, like J&L. The best handling tactical sword I've ever held
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