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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 15:29:27 GMT
Hi guys,im thinking of purchasing one of the following :Hanwei William Marshall or Valiant Practical Atrim ,any suggestions or comments as to which is preffered would be appreciated .Thanks
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Post by YlliwCir on Sept 27, 2008 16:37:09 GMT
Aragon, it would probably depend on what you're going to do with the sword. I don't have that particular Hanwei, tho I do have a couple others. If I wanted a sword for cutting the VA Atrim wins by far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 17:32:56 GMT
Thanks,ill be doing a bit of cutting and also want it to serve as a nice display piece.So guess im looking for a balance.I would have loved to have gone for the hanwei Edward sword ,but it's been Out of stock for ages.
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Post by YlliwCir on Sept 27, 2008 17:55:37 GMT
I have an Edward and it is a good looking sword that can cut decently, tho be aware mine didn't come "cutting" sharp so I had to work on the edge a bit. Here's a review; /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=2053
In case you haven't seen them here's one for the VA Atrim arming sword (didn't know if you meant this one or the longsword); /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=4752
Hanwei William Marshal; /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=1894
Now, just so you know, I believe Mike ended up breaking that William Marshal and I know of at least one VA Atrim that had a failure of the threaded rod that holds the hilt assembly together. The only problem I've had with Eddy is one of the "brass" rings got a bit loose. I say this not to put the swords down, just to emphasize there are no perfect swords, at this price range anyway.
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Post by randomnobody on Sept 27, 2008 17:56:44 GMT
I have a Marshall, myself. It's an older model, prior to Hanwei's upgrading their Euro line. Mine is from the days of hollow pommels et cetera. It handles okay, it's really tip-heavy and I wore out pretty fast with it before I injured my wrist and haven't touched it since, but I hear Hanwei's now using solid pommels and apparently they've adjusted their blade thickness and taper into a much better handling sword now, by the reports I can't remember where I found. I'd personally go with the Valiant; I have an Angus Trim 1315, one of the few he made in a batch run for us here at the SBG and it is hands-down my best sword. So I say go with the Valiant; if you can swing the extra get a reground version. Well worth the cost and more. Just caught Rick's new post; typing is slow on this phone. As to Eddy, well, I had a go with ShooterMike's almost a year ago; he'd reworked it into what he considered an improved form and insisted I try it out. I didn't care much for it. At all. Not that it's a bad sword, really. It may just be that I'd been swinging around Albions and AT's all day prior to picking up ol' Eddy, so my opinion may be a bit tainted. Mike did break his Marshall, on a plastic bottle, and now hase quite a nice dagger that I referred to as "the western oniyuri" when he showed it to me. Ultimately, though, such things as handling and aesthetics are a very personal thing and I could call ugly what you might think beautiful, and I might think a sword handles extremely well but you could insist it feels "dead." Likewise just because Mike can cleave bottles in twain all day doesn't mean I will, too. This much has been proven and is documented on film somewhere... Anyway, do your research, check the numbers, and ultimately, go with the one YOU like.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 18:26:27 GMT
Thanks for the info guys,Im leaning towards the Valiant,hopefully Kultofathena will get more of the custom tuned versions in soon,iv droped them a mail to find out if they are expecting any.Wow can't believe the william marshall broke on a plastic bottle,that is worrying.No sword is perfect granted but I would be very disappointed if any of my swords broke like that.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 27, 2008 22:57:50 GMT
Honestly, I think even the non-custom tuned Atrim would be the better sword. I've got a custom tuned and MAN can that thing cut.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 23:02:48 GMT
Take a look at what happened to their practical line when used as advertised... /index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6734It makes me rethink getting a practical line. And considering how bad Hanwei is about returns (some of the people I know have had their xl line of kats break on mats and have been told it was abuse as well), I'm really thinking of not getting their tinker line bastard sword as well. Which is a real shame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 23:27:21 GMT
I don't think you should slander a company due to one of two issues, everyone in the re-enactment group I go to has or does use the hanwei practicals and have never had an issue with the blades, even Bren has a practical hand and a half I think it is and I believe he abused it on a 55 gallon drum with no worse for wear. Having said that, for cutting their blades are not as good as what you can get from other companies.
Aragon: You might want to consider Baltimore sword and knife as they make beautiful stuff, depends on what you are looking to spend, you could get a sharpened albion squire line. I think the tinker line of swords will be a revamping for the image of hanwei as I cannot imagine tinker would put his accomplished name to something that was not upto his standards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 23:43:39 GMT
Slander? They called cutting mats with the XL katanas abuse. That is unacceptable.
Those practicals were bought and used as intended...and obviously, they had issues. And the fault was once again laid at the feet of the buyer.
I have seen good hanwei swords. Very excellent swords for their price. But if they wont replace their lemons and call it my fault, then I can either risk it...or go with somebody else. I'm leaning heavily towards the latter. And it's not slander when you relay bad expierence. And the problem isn't even their products, it's the customer service who just refuses to accept fault. I mean honestly, the problems do happen pretty rarely. I mean I have WAY more bad things to say about DSA swords...but at least they will promptly, quickly and curtiously replace any faulty products.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Oct 2, 2008 4:39:35 GMT
well there is one air-tight defense against an accusation of slander: prove it was the truth. that being said Cold Napalm's statement is not slander no matter if it is true or a complete lie.
Slander, you see, is only spoken. Now he may have been guilty of LIBEL.
I don't really like Hanwei stuff, but not having owned any I won't say bad things about them. I DO however own an Atrim and LOVE it. but I said that. . .
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Post by kidcasanova on Oct 2, 2008 4:53:46 GMT
CN's post was neither slander nor libel. He posted with prior knowledge of a bad experience, which DOES make him qualified to make such a post. He was stating information and the opinion he formed from it.
Bloodwraith, I think perhaps you should stop picking fights with people, nothing he said was unacceptable, nor was it a lie.
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