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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 17:21:27 GMT
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Post by Murffy on Oct 22, 2021 17:38:22 GMT
I have no expertise to offer but I really like it!
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 24, 2021 10:29:02 GMT
Dolphin guard? Shells on the scabbard mouth piece? Navy? My impression is that the grip is wood, but as you said, this is not very clear. It's those ,,worm holes'' and the light colour where the patina was rubbed off. Nice blade by the way. I'd say the last half of the 18th C based on this etched pattern one sees on many an Epee de Cour of the period. The open guard makes me think of the ring hilt small swords. See: l'Hoste:: Les Epees page 204 and image 360 in particular. This is a very interesting find. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by treeslicer on Oct 25, 2021 4:46:05 GMT
Dolphin guard? Shells on the scabbard mouth piece? Navy? My impression is that the grip is wood, but as you said, this is not very clear. It's those ,,worm holes'' and the light colour where the patina was rubbed off. Nice blade by the way. I'd say the last half of the 18th C based on this etched pattern one sees on many an Epee de Cour of the period. The open guard makes me think of the ring hilt small swords. See: l'Hoste:: Les Epees page 204 and image 360 in particular. This is a very interesting find. Thanks for sharing. Cheers. Horn can get worm holes, I've seen it on several bolos.
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 25, 2021 14:40:14 GMT
Dang worms must have great big teeth then. I guess we have to wait until the hanger is in Edelweiss's hands. Very curious as to how this all will turn out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 16:30:50 GMT
Barring any issues, the sword should arrive tomorrow. The naval possibilities did come to mind but the use of cuttoes for officers belongs to a different timeline. It could possibly have been targeted for a merchant's captain, or simply a civilian choice. I find no parallel, so I can't assign it to a specific timeline or even origin. There is nothing in the photos that really show the etching. Re horn, here is an abstract. www.knife-expert.com/bugs036.txtI will report back tomorrow. GC
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Post by Spathologist on Oct 25, 2021 16:58:15 GMT
Don't know anything about cuttoes, but I think that point grind is amazing! Beautiful sidearm!
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 25, 2021 21:22:49 GMT
Thanks for the link. Interesting article.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 2:27:27 GMT
A tentative lead and id from over at vikingsword Adjacent in another thread about Astro-Hungarian sabres is a scabbard with the shell motif but obviously a cavalry or artillery sabre. The animal guards an eyeopener for me. The sabre thread, which is interesting in its own right but note post #48 on two counts. The shell motif on the scabbard but also the etch of the halo around Mary. Very similar to that bit of etch showing on my blade. www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22564&page=3Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 15:52:12 GMT
Truly dainty!
I'll have to say the grip is polished wood. The blade has been polished but retains a very sharp edge. The best I can guess under the rays are intertwined fishes. The scabbard seems to be thin leather on rawhide, so is quite rigid but the leather is broken in spots and needs some care to make it safe to handle. The hilt had some wiggles but some runny Krazy Glue makes it tight enough while cleaning the brass. I will likely go with my mix of mortar for the insect holes and then polish up the grip.
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 26, 2021 20:40:22 GMT
The ,,shell'' shapes may be refering to the Rococo patterns of the period. South Germany had its variant thereof. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RococoI have some smallswords of the period with brass or bronze grips with patterns inspired by the style. Typically in use by pages and the like. I hope you will show the Plaute when it is repaired and cleaned up a bit. It is a very nice example of that interesting Bavarian style. Thanks for the link by the way. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 23:13:30 GMT
There are a lot of nooks and crannies amongst the fittings. Each one becoming a new discovery. I am pausing for a break after working on the fish and finding teeth . There is more oxidation coming off the base of the blade and the butt cap of the grip is just another carving, with just a brass capstan. I honestly thought the cap was also brass until I got to that end. Working on the details now with a bamboo skewer frayed at the end to get into narrow spaces. You can open this in another tab for a larger picture. I need a rest. Cheers GC
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 27, 2021 17:22:23 GMT
I use wood toothpicks after penceling in some ammonia to make the dirt soft for jobs like that. Amazing how much can come out sometimes. Think I read somewhere they used black paint to bring out the pattern. Not sure about that. Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 18:59:54 GMT
I've never seen paint for highlighting these old swords but enamel might make for some easy work. I know I have seen blackening on more modern stuff and I use acid on silver to highlight Navajo jewelry that needs redos in wear.. Then also niello and Japanning. If I was going to do it on brass, I would think the same acid approach would make more sense to me. I do use my Windex a lot and am using it during this. I suppose I could be using straight ammonia. Cheers GC
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