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Post by toros on Oct 5, 2021 16:48:45 GMT
Hello,
I am thinking about buying AN XI sabers, they are increasingly scarce on the market and I only found two such ones.
Could you tell me something about them from the attached photos?
Do you find anything suspicious about their appearance?
The second saber has the bows removed, the seller says it was sometimes made in the era and cites a book excerpt as an example.
Would it be worth choosing and which one would be worth looking for?
What in your opinion should be the price for such a saber?
regards Toros
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Post by toros on Oct 5, 2021 16:49:31 GMT
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Post by toros on Oct 5, 2021 16:49:58 GMT
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Post by toros on Oct 5, 2021 16:52:36 GMT
and a fragment of the book I wrote about above (unfortunately I don't know Russian) Attachments:
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Post by bas on Oct 5, 2021 20:04:55 GMT
Hi Toros, I'll address the second sword first. I have read that the guard branches were removed from French m1822s that were sold as surplus to either the Polish army or the Finnish army in the early 20th century. If that happened to this sword I couldn't tell you. However, if you want a French First Empire AN XI then this sword is not for you. It is Solingen made in the AN XI style, but not for the French Army, so not a real AN XI. The first sword is a known variation, having been made in Solingen. Most collectors would want to see an AP or Klingenthal marked blade so factor that into your decision, especially on how much you're prepared to pay. Otherwise it looks to be a solid piece. I'd ask for clearer photos of the markings before making a final decision. Also check these threads on Facebook, especially the last one: www.facebook.com/groups/iascpost/posts/4415677221793390/
www.facebook.com/groups/iascpost/posts/4269027036458410/
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Post by Pino on Oct 5, 2021 22:50:04 GMT
Careful with some interpretations, the marking Manufacture de Solingen KS&C does not mean it wasn't used by native French troops. Often they were made in Germany because the supply needed lots of them and French manufactures could not cope with the demand, hence why the hilts are also stamped by Versailles.
I would consider them just as good as any other French made An XI. The only problem is that since they are made without dates it is hard to know when they were issued, unlike the French ones. This is why they are less expensive too.
The other one I believe was modified for the Horse artillery units (for mobility and etc). Definitely a valued piece in collector circles because of that possibility. Also, that it is marked Gebr Weyersberg In Solingen means it was more likely issued to foreign units (Switzerland, Rhine Confederation, Duchy of Warsaw, etc) because the script is in German rather than French.
I assume that both are not cheap and are sold for big money, right?
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Post by toros on Oct 6, 2021 8:02:58 GMT
They are expensive by the standards of my country (Poland).
The first one costs around 1,250 euros.
The second one costs 1080 euro (the one with the bows cut off).
I wonder which one to choose because of the price (it will eat up all my savings), but I like history very much, especially this period and I dream of such a saber.
I will try to take pictures in better resolution.
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Post by pellius on Oct 6, 2021 13:02:51 GMT
Nice sabers. If you are laying down that kind of money for a sword, I would say to get the one you like the most, regardless of the difference in price.
My pick would be the unaltered one. Not for any objective reason; I just think the original design has a gorgeous hilt.
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Post by toros on Oct 6, 2021 16:41:49 GMT
Thanks to everyone for the advice and information.
Regards Toros
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Post by toros on Oct 10, 2021 22:23:34 GMT
Dear
I managed to get clearer photos of all the markings of the first saber.
I would ask you to assess with your professional eye whether everything is ok with them.
regards Toros
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Post by toros on Oct 10, 2021 22:25:29 GMT
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Post by bas on Oct 11, 2021 0:36:00 GMT
Hi Toros,
I'm not an expert on this so I would wait for others' opinions rather than solely relying on mine, but I do not like the inscription on the blade spine. To my eye it looks to have been engraved with a modern electro pencil rather than how it was done back when these were produced.
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Post by sabre on Oct 11, 2021 5:02:04 GMT
I have a K.S&C made Model ANX1 sabre and also seen other's of this maker on the internet with the same type of inscription. I believe these to be hand engraved rather than the usual acid etched. The tang rivet looks suspect as it should be flush with the pommel but in the picture it looks proud of the pommel so hilt possibly removed at some point ?.
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