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Post by natasharobsonss on Jul 17, 2021 11:00:48 GMT
The ninja sword (ninja-to) was different than that of the samurai. The long sword that the samurai carried was made of high-carbon steel, and took months to have made. They were hand made specially for each samurai, taking great care to make a very high quality sword. It was so sharp that it could easily cut a man in two, even through their armor. The length of the samurai swords averaged around 26 1/2 to 37 inches. The ninja sword was considerably shorter, only 24 inches, and the quality of the swords was much poorer.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 17, 2021 16:48:36 GMT
Common opinion is that ninjato were a product of 80s ninja movies. Not definitive but there it is. And the link you provided didn’t show any ninjato. Just cheap slos.
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Post by tera on Jul 17, 2021 16:51:04 GMT
Please do not click the link folks. This reads like spam/fake SEO.
UPDATE: The OP's text is word-for-word copied from another website (not even the one they link to) so there is NO content here. Likewise, this user's other posts have provided minimal thought, to include one that was just, "Very interesting!"
This is a standard tactic of attempting to build a minimal presence on a forum before injecting ads either via bot or low-cost oversees workers to improve SEO standing and make a website owner believe the SEO service they are paying for is working.
I'vee reported the post and personally recommend the account be banned.
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Post by alientude on Jul 17, 2021 16:51:25 GMT
No sword cut a man in half through their armor. That was pretty much the entire point of the armor - to protect against cuts. Why would they wear it if swords just cut right through it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 16:52:30 GMT
Good one lol. Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by soulfromheart on Jul 17, 2021 18:01:52 GMT
Weren't ninjas actually samurais ?
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 17, 2021 18:12:11 GMT
Weren't ninjas actually samurais ? Is this a serious question or a joke? It’s always hard to tell with text.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 17, 2021 19:10:02 GMT
Sometimes ninjas and samurais were played by the same actors in the movies.
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Post by tera on Jul 17, 2021 20:18:08 GMT
I mean... there was Hattori Hanzo, if you want to call him a "ninja". I'd say he was a Samurai who at some point, under Tokugawa's orders, lead a band of unconventional warriors (non-samurai mostly from Iga).
On the whole, wouldn't most individuals modern people might call "ninja" (or shinobi) largely non-samurai who employed unconventional warfare, most notably from Iga and Koga?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 17, 2021 20:31:24 GMT
Yup, in principle: Conventional warfare = samurai. Unconventional warfare = shinogi, ninja, many from Kouga/Iga. Ninja & ninjato = movies. (Darn, I trained secret ninja spy techniques for many years but they identified me within seconds because I carried that darn ninjato!)
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Post by soulfromheart on Jul 17, 2021 20:48:00 GMT
Weren't ninjas actually samurais ? Is this a serious question or a joke? It’s always hard to tell with text. What kind of sword does Joe Musashi use ? Asking because I only remember throwing things.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 17, 2021 20:57:41 GMT
Is this a serious question or a joke? It’s always hard to tell with text. What kind of sword does Joe Musashi use ? Asking because I only remember throwing things. 🙂
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Post by durinnmcfurren on Jul 19, 2021 3:54:44 GMT
I appreciate the OP because even with my limited knowledge of Japanese swords, I have never seen so much inaccuracy packed into so small a package!
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Post by elbufo on Jul 20, 2021 22:29:07 GMT
Weren't ninjas actually samurais ? I could have easily asked that question. Japanese sword culture is rather complex to say the least. I have learned a few names of parts etc, but you would think I am a bigger idiot than I am if I tried to have a conversation about them...I'm still workin on thingy and do-dad. I'm learning, so I guess that makes me a moron.
One of my favorite sayings is: Things can be learned from both a sage and the village idiot, for both may know something you might not!
Not trying so slam anyone...Just saying that learning Japanese et al ain't easy! Fun...Yes.
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Post by tera on Jul 20, 2021 23:41:10 GMT
Maybe someone knowing Japanese History better than I will disagree, but I think the short answer is no.
Most persons performing "ninja-like" activities were not of the samurai class. Indeed, there are martial schools unique to the Iga and Koga provinces, separately, that were used in their resistance to the incursion of more powerful daimyo, and later in service of them.
Like Hanzo, there are cases of Samurai who lead groups of such men, but I imagine calling him a ninja or shinobi to his face would cost you your head. Samurai were quite proud of that social rank.
That said, there were Samurai toward the fall of the Bakufu that for all the world acted like ninja or shinobi but still were still called Samurai. Some of the Shishi straight-up assassinated people. One of the more known names, though not quite as Historically significant as one might think, was Kawakami Gensai. He is credited as assassinating Sakuma Shōzan in broad daylight.
Gensai was one of several Samurai turned assassin during the bakumatsu. His name is better known largely due to anime. Supposedly Gensai is the person Himura Kenshin (of Rurouni Kenshin) is VERY loosely based on.
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Post by durinnmcfurren on Jul 21, 2021 4:50:49 GMT
From someone who has studied Japanese culture and language:
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Post by Arlequin on Jul 22, 2021 20:15:32 GMT
oy vey, it feels like 2005 again.
Tbh its kinda funny to even think about, the whole point of a Shinobi was to blend in with society, having a designated and uniform sword type like the hollywood ninjato is the antithesis of that, at best they may have carried wakizashis in simple furniture like a cane or shirasaya, even that may be calling to much attention upon yourself, depending on the time period and region.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jul 25, 2021 23:55:12 GMT
Just in case you thought BudK was tacky, here comes swordsswords.com to claim the title with spam posts!
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Post by Arlequin on Jul 26, 2021 0:44:24 GMT
Just in case you thought BudK was tacky, here comes swordsswords.com to claim the title with spam posts! Atleast they updated their website, their old site looked like it was designed by guy fieri
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Post by bladebob on Aug 9, 2021 2:20:15 GMT
I'm no expert on all this samurai/ninja stuff, but I do know that the common idea of the ninja (the man in black mummy costume) is entirely inaccurate. Ninja were not warriors, so the "ninja-to" was not used by the ninja, if it was even a thing. Ninja were spies, from what I understand, and they did not carry big weapons.
As for samurai, they were upper class warriors who essentially ruled Japan for hundreds of years. I guess a member of a samurai clan could, in theory, be a ninja, but not usually.
Sorry I can't source this at all. I tend to study this in my off time, mostly via YouTube. But I do my best to stick to reputable sources.
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