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Post by arantxa on Jul 14, 2021 12:37:02 GMT
i know nothing about swords it looks old Thank you for your help Attachments:
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 14, 2021 15:32:17 GMT
It's a really disgusting, totally worthless fake. They don't make them like that any more, for which we may all be thankful.
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Post by arantxa on Jul 14, 2021 20:37:22 GMT
Thank you....i didnt know what i was looking at
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 14, 2021 21:25:31 GMT
It's a really disgusting, totally worthless fake. They don't make them like that any more, for which we may all be thankful. How do you know it's a fake.
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Post by swordenthusiast on Jul 14, 2021 21:33:35 GMT
That all depends on what you mean by fake. If you mean a fake cutting sword, I suspect that may be the case. If you are talking a fake wall hanger that has seen little care and has been sitting at the bottom of the ocean for a decade or so, then probably not.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 14, 2021 21:54:25 GMT
It's a really disgusting, totally worthless fake. They don't make them like that any more, for which we may all be thankful. How do you know it's a fake. The shallow and crude acid-etch, for one thing. That looks to me like the kind of SLO's I was seeing for sale at fairs and flea markets 40 years ago.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 14, 2021 22:08:47 GMT
Looks like a WW II gunto to me.
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Post by phoule on Jul 15, 2021 0:02:57 GMT
Looks like a WW II gunto to me. LOL! Now we know who to not trust for sword identification....
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 15, 2021 1:14:23 GMT
Looks like a WW II gunto to me. IMHO, the latch and the tsuba that you are keying on are not authentic, and the rest of what we can see is nowhere close to right. Bad fake gunto have been appearing from various sources ever since the middle of WW II.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 15, 2021 1:37:41 GMT
It's a really disgusting, totally worthless fake. They don't make them like that any more, for which we may all be thankful. How do you know it's a fake. How do you know she's a witch...
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 15, 2021 2:01:10 GMT
Looks like a WW II gunto to me. LOL! Now we know who to not trust for sword identification.... AND now I know who is as ass.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 15, 2021 6:10:37 GMT
What always disappoints me about fake / fraudulent swords is that it almost always means someone was ripped off by some piece of FILTH.
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Post by Bob B on Jul 15, 2021 6:59:02 GMT
What always disappoints me about fake / fraudulent swords is that it almost always means someone was ripped off by some piece of FILTH. Yep. My first "Nihonto" was a 250.00 lesson. A springy SLO with a corn cob looking tsuka core and parachute rope.....LOL!!!! But looking back I'm thankful. It forced me read and research and meet people that know what they're looking at. I will buy Nihonto on my own without consulting a collector or craftsmen friend....but not often. I consider myself lucky. It could have been worse than 250 bucks. Bob
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Post by ratking on Jul 15, 2021 20:02:05 GMT
ive made things in my garage that were more convincing..
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Post by tommyh on Jul 15, 2021 21:29:56 GMT
Certainly looks like it's attempting to be a gunto replica. Tsuba seems to be vaguely gunto-esque, but doesn't look like any authentic gunto tsuba I've ever seen, kashira is completely wrong. No yasurime, although I guess that's not necessarily decisive, but the mei is also (1) acid etched; and (2) backwards.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 15, 2021 21:54:52 GMT
Certainly looks like it's attempting to be a gunto replica. Tsuba seems to be vaguely gunto-esque, but doesn't look like any authentic gunto tsuba I've ever seen, kashira is completely wrong. No yasurime, although I guess that's not necessarily decisive, but the mei is also (1) acid etched; and (2) backwards. It's actually worse than that. I can understand why you might have misinterpreted the 2nd photo as a nakago (I figure you're on a cell phone), but the photo is actually of part of the blade, including a poorly done brass habaki. Japanese artisans almost never (I'm leaving some wiggle room, mostly for Meiji-era tourist wall-hangers) signed a sword on the blade, rather than on the tang. To my best knowledge, they also always carved horimono. Acid etched characters or images on a blade (especially if etched in relief like the OP example) should warn a buyer that the supposed nihonto isn't authentic. The blade also is hira zukuri, which doesn't fit either.
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Post by tommyh on Jul 15, 2021 22:11:49 GMT
It's actually worse than that. I can understand why you might have misinterpreted the 2nd photo as a nakago (I figure you're on a cell phone), but the photo is actually of part of the blade, including a poorly done brass habaki. Japanese artisans almost never (I'm leaving some wiggle room, mostly for Meiji-era tourist wall-hangers) signed a sword on the blade. To my best knowledge, they also always carved horimono. Acid etched characters or images on a blade (especially if etched in relief like the OP example) should warn a buyer that the supposed nihonto isn't authentic. That's the BLADE?? Geometry looks like hira, which I'm pretty sure was almost never used for anything larger than a wakizashi, I can't even tell which side is the sharp edge, and I just noticed there are arabic numerals right above the "habaki." To OP: while it's not necessarily "fake," it's certainly not worth anything. Even if it were in good condition, it would be a cheap replica, and it seems to be in awful condition.
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Post by swordenthusiast on Jul 15, 2021 23:32:40 GMT
Certainly looks like it's attempting to be a gunto replica. Tsuba seems to be vaguely gunto-esque, but doesn't look like any authentic gunto tsuba I've ever seen, kashira is completely wrong. No yasurime, although I guess that's not necessarily decisive, but the mei is also (1) acid etched; and (2) backwards. I think the etching is on the blade not the Nakago. arantxa : can you verify?
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