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Post by MichaelRS on Jun 21, 2021 20:39:10 GMT
Some of this reminds me of a joke I once heard: A high-ranking martial arts practitioner of a particular style was shipwrecked on a desert island.
After attending to his basic survival needs of food and shelter he constructed an extension of his shelter to use as a dojo where, if the weather was bad, he could still practice to maintain his art. Some yards away he also built another dojo-like shelter.
After many months he was rescued. At which time the rescuers were amazed to see the Robinson-Crusoe-like set up he has made for himself. But they asked him why he built two dojos.
To which he replied, "Well one is mine to practice MY style in and the other one is the one I would not step foot in in a million years."
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 21, 2021 20:42:43 GMT
There are so very few actual kenjutsu schools that I can't really answer that with any amount of authority. The ones that I do know of are extensions of existing schools. There is a mall McDojo close to me that teaches a kind of kenjutsu, but I watched them for 20 minutes and decided it wasn't what I was looking for. I would assume that training was a fixed amount above whatever belt course the student was already enrolled in. Yes, the pre-packaged deals are very common for the karate/judo dojos and aimed mostly towards kids. I am aware of a couple traditional karate schools in my area that familiarize / train students in sword...but As I recall at local Tai Kai's they were always overshadowed in both Iai kata and tameshigiri competition by even the most junior of students at the ken jutsu schools.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 21, 2021 21:45:13 GMT
At the end of the day it's all shades of gray. "Ken-do" is more of a sport version, and "Ken-jutsu" is more of a combat type, roughly speaking. Of course a "sport" trained person is not going to fare evenly with a person training in "combat" style, yet the "sport" version has it's own attraction in that it makes competitions fair and relatively injury free. Most "combat" styles don't pull the punches, so to speak, so the chances of injury are much higher.
Of course, there are so many variations and modifications of all of those things that come under the umbrella of "JSA". It's usually wrong to make definitive statements about a particular style outside of the context in which it was developed. My personal point of view is that if somebody is having fun, and they are up and moving and getting exercise and so forth, then I'm all for it whether it be a heavily researched historical style or just a group of people hitting each other with boffers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 8:33:51 GMT
Yeah, well. In the big picture of things you have to ask a very important question: "does it really matter if I learn historically accurate sword fighting, and does it matter if I learn anything at all?". Let's face the truth, none of us are ever going to get into a life or death sword fight in which our particular technique will be the deciding factor in the victory. Nobody is going to mull over our (non-existent) sword fight and examine every move in exacting detail to glean every last ounce of speculation out of each movement of the blade. I have a low opinion of all this mall-ninja training. I think that if you are going to spend your time and money, then you should learn things that are practical and useful. But with that said, if people are out and about, exercising, staying active, and having fun, then what of it? If they learn mall-ninjutsu and later on want to learn "real" sword fighting, then good on them. Many of us on this forum walked that same path in one way or another. On another thread we discussed this guy being a "fraud", yet he is providing what he is advertising. While his techniques may be dubious, I would certainly not call him a fraud. Would I pay for lessons from him? No, I would not. But if somebody else wants to, and if he is the only provider of the service, then I won't stand in their way. And here I thought that you are an immortal who has been around for centuries. You broke my heart. 😹😹😹😹
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 8:36:32 GMT
One place I would never get sword advice is reddit. It's like they watched an episode of forged in fire and that's all of their knowledge Did you know that if you run your finger up and down the edge of the blade you can know how sharp the sword is? Well you can. The deeper it cuts on the first pass the sharper it is. If it completely severs the finger part that you do that to, it is a perfectly sharp blade. 😹😹😹😹
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 13:50:03 GMT
One place I would never get sword advice is reddit. It's like they watched an episode of forged in fire and that's all of their knowledge Did you know that if you run your finger up and down the edge of the blade you can know how sharp the sword is? Well you can. The deeper it cuts on the first pass the sharper it is. If it completely severs the finger part that you do that to, it is a perfectly sharp blade. 😹😹😹😹 Sums up what I see on reddit lol. What bugs me about it is the mid wits. They thing cause they did good in highschool they are authorities on swords using what they think is logic, with no prior knowledge lol. And they are smug in it too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 4:41:00 GMT
Did you know that if you run your finger up and down the edge of the blade you can know how sharp the sword is? Well you can. The deeper it cuts on the first pass the sharper it is. If it completely severs the finger part that you do that to, it is a perfectly sharp blade. 😹😹😹😹 Sums up what I see on reddit lol. What bugs me about it is the mid wits. They thing cause they did good in highschool they are authorities on swords using what they think is logic, with no prior knowledge lol. And they are smug in it too When I was a child and was told that by a friend about testing knife blades to check how sharp it is by running my finger down the blade. I did get cut. My da said that I should have asked him. What I did was stupid. I am the smartest kid my parents have but I had no common sense at all. I had to learn it. Most of it I learned late in life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 4:42:52 GMT
Sums up what I see on reddit lol. What bugs me about it is the mid wits. They thing cause they did good in highschool they are authorities on swords using what they think is logic, with no prior knowledge lol. And they are smug in it too When I was a child and was told that by a friend about testing knife blades to check how sharp it is by running my finger down the blade. I did get cut. My da said that I should have asked him. What I did was stupid. I am the smartest kid my parents have but I had no common sense at all. I had to learn it. Most of it I learned late in life. Oops I wasn't referring to you by the way haha. I don't think of anyone here as redditors even if they go on reddit. Heck, I go on reddit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 4:56:06 GMT
When I was a child and was told that by a friend about testing knife blades to check how sharp it is by running my finger down the blade. I did get cut. My da said that I should have asked him. What I did was stupid. I am the smartest kid my parents have but I had no common sense at all. I had to learn it. Most of it I learned late in life. Oops I wasn't referring to you by the way haha. I don't think of anyone here as redditors even if they go on reddit. Heck, I go on reddit I know. I do not have Reddit. I was just saying hiw stupid I was when I was younger. Sire I knew chemistry, physics and history really well, but when it came to socializing and common sense, I was the biggest idiot I knew. That is funny but very true.
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