Hello everyone, I've begun a rather arduous task of trying to get a complete collection of as many Swiss swords as I can. While there's been lots said on the Germanic-inspired swords and even the 1842/1852 pattern infantry and cavalry sabres, I've come across a couple of examples of earlier, Napoleonic era (for lack of a better term) cavalry sabres I'm interested in learning more of. I don't have anything in my copy of Griffwaffen that matches exactly unfortunately, but the etchings on the blades both match at the very least, though it lacks the more "recognized" elements such as the Cross. If anyone could help direct me to any historical information I'd very much appreciate it! Here is the first one.
Nice swords Jim. Were you the one that purchased the top one? Good score if you did, that's nice deep and clear engraving on the blade!
I sure did! The bottom looks much nicer but it's about 33-50% more expensive and a bit shorter. I'm leaning towards early 1800s due to the hussar etching. The guard looks like the 1788 German and British style but that extra bar there throws me off. Of course we also have to keep in mind that not only were national armies being hammered out in this era, but Switzerland as the nation it is now didn't exist then, and furthermore was occupied partially during this time! I'm looking forward to tracking down more information about it. Supposedly a roughly 35" blade, a 40" OAL, and a 41" inside of scabbard length. I have a few photos of a similar blade (both shape and etching) and description in Griffwaffen ($300 well-spent) but the guard doesn't match. I'd upload them but they're too hi res.
They are not, unfortunately, but I may be using a friend in Switzerland as an intermediary to wipe out a LARGE portion of my run leaving only a few models including the 1896 officers pattern (Dave Kelly had one and sold it before I could get my grubby paws on it), and a rather unique straight but fullered blade 1899 sword (https://www.antique-swords.com/1899-Pattern-Swiss-Cavalry.html) I have only seen one example of each of those but I at least want to get the majority done.
I'm not too sure on it being Swiss or not truth be told, I've been trying to look up the crest or flag near the guard but so far I can't get any clear answers
I do not think both are Swiss as in Regulation on even the Canton, that is pre 1847, level. Regulation, even on the pre 1847 Canton level would make it Swiss. Private order Officers sabres do not adhere to regulations so there is not much particularly Swiss about them. Only the owner. At least this is my take on the problem. The top one I have seen before somewhere but cannot remember the context, but I am quite sure it is some German state example. That is why the DBF link. Could be some Solingen Brit P 1821 (?) inspired export model too. And those went all over the world. You sure know how to pick'em. :) The other one is I think a generic ,, European '' Hussar sabre, here in Officers tenue. Very hard if not impossible to pin down, hence the ,,European ''. Solingen churned them out by the bucket it looks like. The dove head pommel makes me think I might be wrong though. Hard to crack. I wish you well on your quest. I do not think I can be of any further use here.
Edit: The top one has the mouth piece missing I think. Might be a problem?
Post by jimmythedonut on Jun 25, 2021 13:40:18 GMT
Hi again, the sword has finally arrived! It is indeed long. Because of the curvature it doesn't appear that long but when you follow it with your eyes you can tell it's very long. The sword is ridiculously light too, my first weighing clocked in at 570grams but I think it was wrong because when I reset the scale it was closer to 640-650 grams which is still abnormally light but a bit better. I've still been looking at other swords trying to narrow it down. It LOOKS like some of the pre-Revolutionary Chasseurs-a-Cheval swords but longer and with that extra bar, I've seen a few very similar examples including one currently for sale here in fact, though with a more reasonable blade. The top of the pommel is peened, with the long diamond shaped piece as well.
For that matter, it handles very well. Wire grip sticks out a bit too much for my preference but gloves can remedy that. Swinging it is nice and responsive though the weight is still odd. Blade is not currently sharp but it has an edge with nicks on it so I can only assume it's seen some sort of use. A small 63 or maybe 83 on the underside of the guard, might be a rack number or a date of commission. Since the Weyersburg brothers in the form here (post-crescent, pre-WKC) existed from 1787-1883 that helps date it a bit more too, alongside notes that they had undertaken orders for the French and Italians around this timeframe too.
I am now leaning towards this being a pre-1800s sword, but at this point I still have no solid idea.
My phone unfortunately likes to take photos a little too high quality to post here but I will try and downscale them later today and post more, though there's no revealing information really.
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