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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 10:59:02 GMT
I like to use weighted stuff when I train, but I've added more weight to my spear to make it heavier and lately I been feeling elbow pain, making me need to coach the spear under my arm pit to continue
Should I just remove the weight, or does it go away? I remember my joints used to feel pain when I first started with a sword and it went away
I should mention the weight is all at the end. It's not as bad when I hold the middle of the spear
Also if I do take off the weight, should I let it heal with no or little activity after?
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jun 13, 2021 13:42:43 GMT
Sounds like you're working yourself into a case of 'tennis elbow'. An overuse injury. I gave myself a permanent injury overdoing it. The best my elbow gets now is about 25% the strength it had, even after years of PTO. My advice... STOP WHEN IT HURTSIce it. Ice is your friend. Stop doing what ever you're doing to piss it off. Anti Inflammatory meds can help. If after a week or so, of NON USE its still painful, go see a DR.
At my worst, it didn't allow enough grip strength to hold a beer.
You don't want that do you?
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Post by pgandy on Jun 13, 2021 13:59:54 GMT
Back off. Your body is sending you a warning message of bad things to come. I’m having a bit of a problem with my new kukri at over a kilo and permit myself to only limited time using it. Otherwise my wrist and elbow will become angry with me for over taxing them. Follow Sir Thorfinn’s advice, he’s been there.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 13, 2021 14:53:18 GMT
Go see a sports medicine specialist and let them know what kind of training you are doing. They can give you a motion analysis and show you how to work without injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:51:14 GMT
Thanks guys. I was worried it was a bad sign. I think I will take the additional weight off the spear and train other things for a week till it heals. I was hoping it was just my joints not being used do handling heavier weights and needed an adjustment period
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:22:58 GMT
I wonder if some the pain your are feeling is possibly just an extra amount of inflammation caused by diet and/or any other substances consumed. I know that this has been the case for me before. I don't know if you supplement with creatine already but I have found that it helps with joint pain. Tumeric is another natural choice that might help with inflammation. Creatine eh? Maybe I'll give that a try. I have a lot of joint pain due to arthritis so I would love to relieve as much as I can I've recently quit alcohol and have been about 5 weeks sober. I take multivitamins and try have a balanced diet, but I am definitely open to trying out supplements.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:30:20 GMT
Creatine eh? Maybe I'll give that a try. I have a lot of joint pain due to arthritis so I would love to relieve as much as I can I've recently quit alcohol and have been about 5 weeks sober. I take multivitamins and try have a balanced diet, but I am definitely open to trying out supplements. Ah, then it that case I would definitely recommend trying the creatine, tumeric, Glucosamine,etc. . This would be a good combo capsule. www.amazon.com/Glucosamine-Chondroitin-Turmeric-Boswellia-Anti-Inflammatory/dp/B01GVJK3XWKeep your fluids consumption high if you start the creatine. I was recommended glucosamine from someone once, she told me if helped with knee pain she got from soccer. I forgot what it was called till now lol. Thanks for reminding me, I'm gonna get the exact recommended product here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:45:14 GMT
Another question, maybe I'm holding my spear wrong? I normally grip it with my palm on the outside of the spear haft, hand pointing forward. I find gripping under, with the spear coached, relieved the pain but my thrust was weak
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 13, 2021 22:45:57 GMT
Muscle soreness is one thing, but I don't think you should ever to try push through joint pain. Or tendon/ligament issues. These things can adapt to exercise but it takes longer at a lighter pace and pain is a bad sign. Rest is good.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 13, 2021 23:10:23 GMT
I wonder if some the pain your are feeling is possibly just an extra amount of inflammation caused by diet and/or any other substances consumed. I know that this has been the case for me before. I don't know if you supplement with creatine already but I have found that it helps with joint pain. Tumeric is another natural choice that might help with inflammation. C-r-e-a-t-i-n-e? That's a funny way to spell "creosote".
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Post by squalembrato on Jun 13, 2021 23:49:29 GMT
I have done weight training and practiced with both backsword and arming sword for many years. I have found that Glutamine which can be purchased cheap in bulk taken daily is the best for rehabilitation of any kind of exercise pain or injury. It is a staple of body builders. Also Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA). Last couple of years I have been using SAMe and vitamin b12 which seems to have helped with a wonky knee.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 23:54:45 GMT
Muscle soreness is one thing, but I don't think you should ever to try push through joint pain. Or tendon/ligament issues. These things can adapt to exercise but it takes longer at a lighter pace and pain is a bad sign. Rest is good. Have you ever felt elbow pain when doing any sort of practice?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 23:55:15 GMT
I wonder if some the pain your are feeling is possibly just an extra amount of inflammation caused by diet and/or any other substances consumed. I know that this has been the case for me before. I don't know if you supplement with creatine already but I have found that it helps with joint pain. Tumeric is another natural choice that might help with inflammation. C-r-e-a-t-i-n-e? That's a funny way to spell "creosote". is creosote a way to treat joint pain? I'll take both if I gotta haha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 23:56:55 GMT
I have done weight training and practiced with both backsword and arming sword for many years. I have found that Glutamine which can be purchased cheap in bulk taken daily is the best for rehabilitation of any kind of exercise pain or injury. It is a staple of body builders. Also Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA). Last couple of years I have been using SAMe and vitamin b12 which seems to have helped with a wonky knee. Damn I used to have some BCAA power that I gave away thinkkg I wouldn't need it lol. Dumb move on my part. Yea I'm definitely looking into glutamine. I seem to have a good source of vitamin b12 tho, thankfully. I love that stuff. Used to be my fav vitamin to take when I did marathon running for a few years
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 14, 2021 0:09:20 GMT
Seriously, make an appointment with your local sports medicine doctor. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing they do. It's not just about repairing injuries, they also work with you to prevent injuries as well.
Your going to have to trust me when I tell you that the minor injuries that you shake off in your youth will come back to haunt you as you get older. There is NO SHAME in seeing a professional to get training that will prevent injuries. You don't have to prove anything to anybody by "toughing it out" or whatnot. Do you know what will impress the world? When you can spear and sword fight and win against a 20 year old man when you are 90.
I was at the sports doctor a few years ago having my knee looked at and we got to talking about guitar playing. That's when the doctor told me to come back and see him so he can show me how to play without injuries. You know, I learned a lot from him in 30 minutes that will keep me from getting tendonitis and arthritis. Yeah, they do that. They are body motion specialists. Go see one.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 14, 2021 1:06:32 GMT
Muscle soreness is one thing, but I don't think you should ever to try push through joint pain. Or tendon/ligament issues. These things can adapt to exercise but it takes longer at a lighter pace and pain is a bad sign. Rest is good. Have you ever felt elbow pain when doing any sort of practice? From boxing pad work, yes, when I was starting and would overextend and snap my arm straight out on a missed shot instead of learning to tighten my muscles before hyperextension. Once I had learned how to prevent this elbow hyperextension, no. And I've never had elbow pain with weapons training because I follow that principle of being careful to stop short of a fully locked out elbow when jabbing or thrusting, or throwing tomahawks, or any of that. Is your spear training to hit a pell, or shadowboxing in the air? Hitting a tennis ball on a string? Remember that accuracy is the hard part of thrusting with a weapon, not power, and you should be able to train accuracy without so much power as to endanger your joints. Weight lifting will also build strength and, if you train powerlifting, explosive output in a better and safer way than weighted weapons. And I used to have elbow pain from BJJ training, but the answer to that one is tap early and often if someone gets an arm bar on you, and only train with people who are careful/reasonable and won't yank and bounce on your joints like their livelihood depends on tapping you out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 1:53:11 GMT
Seriously, make an appointment with your local sports medicine doctor. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing they do. It's not just about repairing injuries, they also work with you to prevent injuries as well. Your going to have to trust me when I tell you that the minor injuries that you shake off in your youth will come back to haunt you as you get older. There is NO SHAME in seeing a professional to get training that will prevent injuries. You don't have to prove anything to anybody by "toughing it out" or whatnot. Do you know what will impress the world? When you can spear and sword fight and win against a 20 year old man when you are 90. I was at the sports doctor a few years ago having my knee looked at and we got to talking about guitar playing. That's when the doctor told me to come back and see him so he can show me how to play without injuries. You know, I learned a lot from him in 30 minutes that will keep me from getting tendonitis and arthritis. Yeah, they do that. They are body motion specialists. Go see one. I'll see what we have here in my town. I'm not sure if Canadian health care covers that but I'll look into it. You are right, a tough older guy is way more impressive. I will train slower and find someone to help me look into this
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 1:56:07 GMT
Have you ever felt elbow pain when doing any sort of practice? From boxing pad work, yes, when I was starting and would overextend and snap my arm straight out on a missed shot instead of learning to tighten my muscles before hyperextension. Once I had learned how to prevent this elbow hyperextension, no. And I've never had elbow pain with weapons training because I follow that principle of being careful to stop short of a fully locked out elbow when jabbing or thrusting, or throwing tomahawks, or any of that. Is your spear training to hit a pell, or shadowboxing in the air? Hitting a tennis ball on a string? Remember that accuracy is the hard part of thrusting with a weapon, not power, and you should be able to train accuracy without so much power as to endanger your joints. Weight lifting will also build strength and, if you train powerlifting, explosive output in a better and safer way than weighted weapons. And I used to have elbow pain from BJJ training, but the answer to that one is tap early and often if someone gets an arm bar on you, and only train with people who are careful/reasonable and won't yank and bounce on your joints like their livelihood depends on tapping you out. Weidly it's not the hyper extension being much of a factor. I do shadow boxing type training due to limited space, and have been compensating for lack of impact training with extra weight. I think that might be my issue. That's good advice, to seek strength other ways, and I can keep this shadow boxing type training to practice my form instead. I am seeing what I'm doing wrong now lol Funny enough I was looking at boxing videos the other day to add to the boxing training I've had from before, and I was thinking that would be a good thing to practice as my joint heals, focusing on explosive foot work instead
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 14, 2021 12:09:50 GMT
I am not a medical professional, and am thus unqualified to give specific advice, but in my personal experience it is a bad idea to not take joint pain seriously. Better to be over-cautious, rather than risk serious and possibly chronic injury.
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Post by Student of Sword on Jun 14, 2021 13:26:41 GMT
Take of the weight. Train with lighter weapons. If you want to be stronger, lift weight separately from your weapon training. Adding weight to your weapon only lead of repetitive injuries and won't make you any stronger.
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