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Post by tsmspace on Jun 1, 2021 5:28:05 GMT
In my video I show that my pommel is off. I also say that the sword is now improved. ,,, weird.
hopefully nothing else breaks, but I comment that the sword vibrated a lot more when it had the pommel,, but also that pommel bolt is like,,, that pommel is so heavy and that bolt is so small. also, bolts are like , sometimes brittle to begin with, they are for shear strength of two contacting sheets,, not really for vibration out on the end of a long piece of bolt. actually, if you have some bolt sticking out of the concrete, a few quick hits with a hammer and they break every time.
anyway,, In conclusion I know that I had a bad review of scorpion swords and that they are planning to send me a new one,,, well,, I've had the honshu quite a bit longer, but also it was only 120$. Also, the sword is actually working better now that the pommel broke off.... So, I do plan to feedback to budk,,, I don't plan to send it back though.
actually scorpion said I could keep the old one, but I don't see budk doing that.
Also, the honshu is exactly how it was intended to be,, the scorpion is not supposed to be wicked soft. The honshu is actually much much harder to bend. I know this because,,, I bent it. I bend all of my swords eventually. I even bent a katana trying to cut through a thick jug that was like, 20 gallons of floor polish. It was one of those jugs that loads into the floor machine,,, I cut about halfway through it,, but the plastic is actually about the thickness of the daywalker,, I would say about 1/8 to 1/4 inches thick, depending on where on the jug you check. It was hard out. I bent the sword back,,, it's still pretty good. that sword was only 200$ though, and cuts literally everything,, and DID cut that jug, but only halfway.
anyway,, I do not think my copy of the daywalker is going to cut into the oil drum the way they demonstrate on the video. If i had that one,, I wouldn't have been able to bend it like that.
anyway, back to the honshu,,,, well,,, the sword is good. In fact,,,, it's like the daywalker from the movie when I look at it right now. It's a nice sword, it's a beater, and now that the pommel is off, it actually got better than it was before. Since the pommel was on a welded bolt, I don't know what this means for the tang. Some swords from honshu break at the tang,, and since I am a bit abusive, I wonder if over time this won't also happen to me. I won't know for a while, I think. Also, the double edged sword isn't really that blade heavy, and most of the ones I saw in youtube videos breaking were either much more blade heavy, or they were being hammered on by logs for bushcrafting. (actually,, all of them broke bushcrafting). I mean, zombie tools for the win. My double edged sword is still challenging to cut with, but most people will say it's not the right shape for powercutting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 5:36:15 GMT
I think you might be hitting your targets too hard. You don't need a lot of force if your technique is right, and once it's right you can add force
That or you have some bad luck with swords haha. Considering how things are these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it affected sword production somehow. Black smithing in a mask sounds like a nightmare
Or do they already wear masks? Either way, but that's probably just the asthma in me speaking
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 1, 2021 23:46:38 GMT
I think you might be hitting your targets too hard. You don't need a lot of force if your technique is right, and once it's right you can add force That or you have some bad luck with swords haha. Considering how things are these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it affected sword production somehow. Black smithing in a mask sounds like a nightmare Or do they already wear masks? Either way, but that's probably just the asthma in me speaking FYI, this also happened to the Honshu grossemesser they sent to me for review, admittedly after lots of crazy abuse. Heard of quite a few of similar incidents on Honshu models with threaded pommels. Looks like the thread for the pommel really needs to be rethought at UC.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 2, 2021 1:02:55 GMT
I emailed Drew today saying that I'd noticed a lot of people reporting pommel breaks (and I made my own observations in the grosse messer review). I asked if there are plans to change the designs and offered to brainstorm possible ways to do the pommel in a cost effective and durable way. I'll tell you if there's a response on that.
I was pretty happy with the rest of the build durability wise, so I'd hate to see this be the achilles' heel of the Honshu swords forever.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 2, 2021 3:23:32 GMT
I think you might be hitting your targets too hard. You don't need a lot of force if your technique is right, and once it's right you can add force That or you have some bad luck with swords haha. Considering how things are these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it affected sword production somehow. Black smithing in a mask sounds like a nightmare Or do they already wear masks? Either way, but that's probably just the asthma in me speaking I think you are right,,, I also feel that I need some technique improvement. I had that exact thought, actually,,, that my problem is that bottles aren't the right target for slowing things down. I can cut things in my room like a knife,, or I can cut bottles, but lots of cutting just isn't in those two actions, and I never get to practice anywhere in between. I know that it's a very common culture in pacific islands or southeast asia to get a machete and work on some relatives property doing the landscaping with a machete. Now, I'm sure honolulu has such an opportunity somehow,, but skills need a lot of time, and I need some option for at home that lets me do things more slowly... I have no idea what to do with that.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 2, 2021 3:26:02 GMT
I emailed Drew today saying that I'd noticed a lot of people reporting pommel breaks (and I made my own observations in the grosse messer review). I asked if there are plans to change the designs and offered to brainstorm possible ways to do the pommel in a cost effective and durable way. I'll tell you if there's a response on that. I was pretty happy with the rest of the build durability wise, so I'd hate to see this be the achilles' heel of the Honshu swords forever. theyr'e not expensive, but it's true,, over time they should work the kinks out,, after all the basic format of most of their swords are all essential basic sword shapes,, so in theory they should be able to make those swords for a while with some modifications. for one thing,, they are all so beefy,, but the kind of beefy they are is extreme in some ways that aren't really needed, and not in other ways that would have done the trick. For example,, why do you even need that whacky pommel if you have a beefy tang??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 5:21:42 GMT
I think you might be hitting your targets too hard. You don't need a lot of force if your technique is right, and once it's right you can add force That or you have some bad luck with swords haha. Considering how things are these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it affected sword production somehow. Black smithing in a mask sounds like a nightmare Or do they already wear masks? Either way, but that's probably just the asthma in me speaking FYI, this also happened to the Honshu grossemesser they sent to me for review, admittedly after lots of crazy abuse. Heard of quite a few of similar incidents on Honshu models with threaded pommels. Looks like the thread for the pommel really needs to be rethought at UC. Oh definitely the product too. No question there. It's a shame cause I like how a lot look. Especially the kirito Axe and seax. Those look fantastic. The axe seems alright so far, and I cant see the seax being too bad if treated like a knife, like I do my m48 Dirk. I find green saplings to be my favourite cutting targets. They haven't grown enough to be missed, they aren't too hard and are supposedly similar to bone if an inch thick. They feel amazing to hit and flex upon impact. Man i miss living outside of civilization sometimes lol. Would practice with a Kukri or tanto all day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 5:22:48 GMT
I think you might be hitting your targets too hard. You don't need a lot of force if your technique is right, and once it's right you can add force That or you have some bad luck with swords haha. Considering how things are these days, I wouldn't be surprised if it affected sword production somehow. Black smithing in a mask sounds like a nightmare Or do they already wear masks? Either way, but that's probably just the asthma in me speaking I think you are right,,, I also feel that I need some technique improvement. I had that exact thought, actually,,, that my problem is that bottles aren't the right target for slowing things down. I can cut things in my room like a knife,, or I can cut bottles, but lots of cutting just isn't in those two actions, and I never get to practice anywhere in between. I know that it's a very common culture in pacific islands or southeast asia to get a machete and work on some relatives property doing the landscaping with a machete. Now, I'm sure honolulu has such an opportunity somehow,, but skills need a lot of time, and I need some option for at home that lets me do things more slowly... I have no idea what to do with that. It's not so much the technique is it is the medium level for technique level. Some softer water bottles, pool noodles, or even soaked news paper rolls would be better, and lighter hits.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 2, 2021 21:32:03 GMT
Okay, I got a response. He said they get very few complaints or returns and they sell a lot of them, so they're not planning to change the design right now.
So... if you do have an issue, please contact United Cutlery instead of just letting it slide, and have them honor the warranty.
Side note, I got two Honshu seaxes, one in D2 and one in stainless. They don't have pommels and they're totally wicked. Look for that review in the next month.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 4, 2021 23:42:17 GMT
I emailed Drew today saying that I'd noticed a lot of people reporting pommel breaks (and I made my own observations in the grosse messer review). I asked if there are plans to change the designs and offered to brainstorm possible ways to do the pommel in a cost effective and durable way. I'll tell you if there's a response on that. I was pretty happy with the rest of the build durability wise, so I'd hate to see this be the achilles' heel of the Honshu swords forever. Drew hasn't responded to my comments on here about my broken pommel, nor has he responded to me on Facebook. That feels to me like he is purely here to market and not to gain actually knowledge and feedback. The swords are much better without the pommel anyways. I filled my handle with solid epoxy and the balance and feel is way better now.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 5, 2021 3:24:39 GMT
Okay, I got a response. He said they get very few complaints or returns and they sell a lot of them, so they're not planning to change the design right now. So... if you do have an issue, please contact United Cutlery instead of just letting it slide, and have them honor the warranty. Side note, I got two Honshu seaxes, one in D2 and one in stainless. They don't have pommels and they're totally wicked. Look for that review in the next month. I was thinking about telling them I like it much better without the pommel, and that I also think people won't know, but would also find the cut is easier.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 5, 2021 15:52:58 GMT
I emailed Drew today saying that I'd noticed a lot of people reporting pommel breaks (and I made my own observations in the grosse messer review). I asked if there are plans to change the designs and offered to brainstorm possible ways to do the pommel in a cost effective and durable way. I'll tell you if there's a response on that. I was pretty happy with the rest of the build durability wise, so I'd hate to see this be the achilles' heel of the Honshu swords forever. Drew hasn't responded to my comments on here about my broken pommel, nor has he responded to me on Facebook. That feels to me like he is purely here to market and not to gain actually knowledge and feedback. The swords are much better without the pommel anyways. I filled my handle with solid epoxy and the balance and feel is way better now. He does ask for feedbacks from members of the community, including me. But Drew is not the designer, or the one calling the shot, he is a community liaison. Whatever decisions are made, are done by higher-ups. They might take into consideration that many of the swords having this design are already out on the market. But I hope the designers do take this into consideration in the future iterations.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 5, 2021 21:13:09 GMT
Drew hasn't responded to my comments on here about my broken pommel, nor has he responded to me on Facebook. That feels to me like he is purely here to market and not to gain actually knowledge and feedback. The swords are much better without the pommel anyways. I filled my handle with solid epoxy and the balance and feel is way better now. He does ask for feedbacks from members of the community, including me. But Drew is not the designer, or the one calling the shot, he is a community liaison. Whatever decisions are made, are done by higher-ups. They might take into consideration that many of the swords having this design are already out on the market. But I hope the designers do take this into consideration in the future iterations. I know what you mean. It's just that a quick "thanks, we will look into this" response would feel good lol.
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 6, 2021 0:00:11 GMT
He does ask for feedbacks from members of the community, including me. But Drew is not the designer, or the one calling the shot, he is a community liaison. Whatever decisions are made, are done by higher-ups. They might take into consideration that many of the swords having this design are already out on the market. But I hope the designers do take this into consideration in the future iterations. I know what you mean. It's just that a quick "thanks, we will look into this" response would feel good lol. Oh definitely. Should have been more responsive to community feedbacks.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 9, 2021 6:09:13 GMT
back again to say,, yup,, it's quite a bit better than it was with the pommel.
now,, I'm worried it will snap. I have seen their blades snap in a few youtube videos, and I can't confidently say I think mine will not. Actually, quite the opposite, and there's more. I feel like a skilled user with experience snapping blades would first, know it will snap, and second, know how to avoid that happening. I also feel like I can tell it will snap eventually,,, and,,, I will see it coming SOMEWHAT,,, BUT,, I will not have the skill to necessarily avoid it,, because I will have bad cuts and misses accidentally over time, resulting in abuse of the sword that a skilled user would be able to avoid. luckily, I'm not using it much,, just here and there for a small number of bottles. now,, these bottles do not slip apart like a katana will do,, and I could still have failed cuts with the sword,,, it's edge retention is ok, but not some kind of incredible, and cutting is a bit higher skilled than many machetes or katanas.
when will it snap?? I can't say,, I do feel like it just might go on forever if I'm overall gentle and occasional. I would not expect it to hold up to some kind of bootcamp cutting approach.
at this point, however,, I would very much look for a similar sword of higher quality construction. (more durable and sharper steel). I know some katana types aren't that far off. I mean it's really not that particularly unique,, it's a two handed sword with a double edged foible and a single edged and beefy spined forte. I don't know how it compares to a spadroon, though,, because my 1840 nco sword by windlass is SIGNIFICANTLY different. Also, I don't see some loads of parallels in medieval swords. It's like a modern tactical design through and through.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 15, 2021 0:54:06 GMT
here's a video using this sword
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