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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 3, 2021 16:39:42 GMT
their explanation is such bullsemprini, my 1095 32" Long elvish sabers can be bent right over your knee in the exact same manner and they all spring back to true...My short blades can all be bent and spring back to true, none of them break.... why?
Because they are actually quenched and tempered. I do not buy that those are case hardened, They act exactly like a piece of NOT Quenched NOT Tempered NOT hardened steel reacts. Pure Junk. So what you are saying is that "case hardened" swords are still just wall hangers?
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 3, 2021 17:05:32 GMT
their explanation is such bullsemprini, my 1095 32" Long elvish sabers can be bent right over your knee in the exact same manner and they all spring back to true...My short blades can all be bent and spring back to true, none of them break.... why?
Because they are actually quenched and tempered. I do not buy that those are case hardened, They act exactly like a piece of NOT Quenched NOT Tempered NOT hardened steel reacts. Pure Junk. So what you are saying is that "case hardened" swords are still just wall hangers? What we're all saying is that case hardened swords don't actually exist. The daywalker here is just not hardened at all, at least in the middle section.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 3, 2021 17:13:43 GMT
So what you are saying is that "case hardened" swords are still just wall hangers? What we're all saying is that case hardened swords don't actually exist. The daywalker here is just not hardened at all, at least in the middle section. Un-tempered/not hardened = Sword Like Object = Wall Hanger
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 3, 2021 18:53:09 GMT
More likely, it'll still be a good idea to keep a long, sharp edge as a backup to your blaster or whatever they carry in combat by then. especially when your lightsaber runs out of battery. You mean running out of "Force".
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 3, 2021 18:59:55 GMT
especially when your lightsaber runs out of battery. You mean running out of "Force". I didn't realize lightsaber was running on "force" HHAHAH....
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 3, 2021 19:00:36 GMT
You mean running out of "Force". I didn't realize lightsaber was running on "force" HHAHAH.... Whatever Asifwhocares
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jun 3, 2021 21:49:04 GMT
What we're all saying is that case hardened swords don't actually exist. The daywalker here is just not hardened at all, at least in the middle section. Un-tempered/not hardened = Sword Like Object = Wall Hanger This ^^^
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 0:15:57 GMT
What we're all saying is that case hardened swords don't actually exist. The daywalker here is just not hardened at all, at least in the middle section. Un-tempered/not hardened = Sword Like Object = Wall Hanger I would bring up bronze swords, but even they have hammer hardened edges
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Post by rannh1 on Jun 4, 2021 10:24:04 GMT
You mean running out of "Force". I didn't realize lightsaber was running on "force" HHAHAH.... May the FARCE be with us all!
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 4, 2021 10:41:41 GMT
I didn't realize lightsaber was running on "force" HHAHAH.... May the FARCE be with us all! :D :D
LOL!!!
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Post by Dandelion on Jun 4, 2021 11:48:44 GMT
I am kind of thankful for this thread; kind of. We tried to order a Romphaiah from Scorpion Swords several times but always been told they wont make those at the time being. Now... are we supposed to be happy that there never was an order? I feel rather sad that a company with some cool designs may just have chosen to act like a certain other company with cool designs...
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 4, 2021 22:46:27 GMT
I don't want to make a huge deal out of all this, but Paul keeps saying stuff like "the two people in this thread are the only people to ever have an issue" which is wrong, there's way more on Facebook, but I guess I'm the third now. I bkught the Dark Ninjato model. I was sent a bent blade and a half ground bevel compared to the website photos. You can see my detailed analysis of the sword in my email response photo. Overall, the customer service wasn't bad but the extreme reluctance to admit that the blade is horribly bent is maddening. No good blademaker in their right mind would say that warp is acceptable. I did receive my money back and they did try three different times to "fix the sword". I declined because there's not very much that can save this thing anyways but they keep refusing to admit that the blade is bent and I can grind the bevel myself and probably do a much better job anyways since I am a knifemaker but I can't fix the bent blade and neither can they. I'm not even confident that if they fixed the bevel themselves and made it higher and thinner, that they wouldn't ruin whatever heat treat was done to this thing By grinding it too fast and heating it up. There's a lot of things that don't add up with how these things are made. Many things that were already brought up in this thread in earlier comments but also if you look at certain things in my emails, other things do not make sense either. For example on the website it says "Made in the USA by Chris Palmer" . But in my 1st email response from them he says "one of the other guys" in response to how my bevel was ground.. So which one is it? Was my blade made by Chris Palmer or was it made by "one of the other guys" who's being thrown under the bus? But then in one of my last emails he goes back to saying "I don't know why I would have done the bevel like that." How have you made thousands of these swords like you claim but you didn't even notice that the bevel is barely on the sword? That makes a massive difference in weight and cutting performance. On the website photos the bevel takes up at least half of the blade with whereas on my sword it takes up a quarter of it. How do you not just look down the spine like an arrow just to make sure it's mostly straight before you send it out? It makes me think that they don't even make these things and they are out source to somewhere. If we can't get consistent information on how they are made? I can't get consistent information on who even made my blade. Finally the thing that concerns me the most is both me and Troy were asked to take our bad reviews down. Because I posted my review in the All Swords FB group for fear I would get attacked on SBG for saying I had an objectively bad product.. I consulted with high quality swordmakers like Tom Kinder and Andrew Hunton, Jeremy Boulder Valentine, and several others on on Facebook forum and they all agreed on the bend and the subpar work. How can Paul Southern come in here and gloat and brag and boast about making so many people happy when hes trying to suppress the bad reviews? That calls into question their integrity. We honestly don't know how many people they have upset because they are trying to take down any bad review they get. Meaning when you brag about good reviews that means nothing because you try to hide the bad reviews even when they are deserved. The customer service is mostly fine. I mean they did get very defensive when I 1st came to them with my concerns as if it was impossible which seems in line with sword buyer's guide the last few years. Very defensive, we can do no wrong, it's you and not us, etc. Furthermore I would say it looks bad on your business if every time somebody has a concern all you do is fight them with numbers like that. Yeah Damascus pot metal blades sell by the thousands every day that does not mean they are good products. I feel like most of their customer base does not really know their stuff and wouldn't have noticed my issues. I feel like they thought I would not notice the bend in the blade and they tried to save time, money and abrasives by not grinding a real true bevel on the sword. They did a semi decent bevel on the prototype stock model for the website but they didn't stay true to it for the ones they actually sent out. Because I definitely know how much money sanding belts cost and I definitely know how hard it is to fix a warp at a longer blade and how time consuming it is. It's not like these things are really that much money, but this sword only costs 75 dollars less than a Zombie Tools Zakasushi which is also USA made and also in thr same price range for overbuilt tank swords. And they would never ever send out a half ground, bent blade.. I knew to expect a roughly sharpened bar of metal but I thought I would get a bar of metal that looked more like the website photo and I thought at least they would send me something that was straight because all this really is is stock removal which is far more simple than forging. And even in the very last email where they try a 3rd time to send me a replacement rather than refund me they still don't admit that the blade is bent when they put it on a flat table. Anyone can see that that blade severely points to the left. I keep repeating this part because I just don't understand how they have not admitted that part yet.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 4, 2021 22:58:12 GMT
I don't want to make a huge deal out of all this, but Paul keeps saying stuff like "the two people in this thread are the only people to ever have an issue" which is wrong, there's way more on Facebook, but I guess I'm the third now. I bkught the Dark Ninjato model. I was sent a bent blade and a half ground bevel compared to the website photos. You can see my detailed analysis of the sword in my email response photo. Overall, the customer service wasn't bad but the extreme reluctance to admit that the blade is horribly bent is maddening. No good blademaker in their right mind would say that warp is acceptable. I did receive my money back and they did try three different times to "fix the sword". I declined because there's not very much that can save this thing anyways but they keep refusing to admit that the blade is bent and I can grind the bevel myself and probably do a much better job anyways since I am a knifemaker but I can't fix the bent blade and neither can they. I'm not even confident that if they fixed the bevel themselves and made it higher and thinner, that they wouldn't ruin whatever heat treat was done to this thing By grinding it too fast and heating it up. There's a lot of things that don't add up with how these things are made. Many things that were already brought up in this thread in earlier comments but also if you look at certain things in my emails, other things do not make sense either. For example on the website it says "Made in the USA by Chris Palmer" . But in my 1st email response from them he says "one of the other guys" in response to how my bevel was ground.. So which one is it? Was my blade made by Chris Palmer or was it made by "one of the other guys" who's being thrown under the bus? But then in one of my last emails he goes back to saying "I don't know why I would have done the bevel like that." How have you made thousands of these swords like you claim but you didn't even notice that the bevel is barely on the sword? That makes a massive difference in weight and cutting performance. On the website photos the bevel takes up at least half of the blade with whereas on my sword it takes up a quarter of it. How do you not just look down the spine like an arrow just to make sure it's mostly straight before you send it out? It makes me think that they don't even make these things and they are out source to somewhere. If we can't get consistent information on how they are made? I can't get consistent information on who even made my blade. Finally the thing that concerns me the most is both me and Troy were asked to take our bad reviews down. Because I posted my review in the All Swords FB group for fear I would get attacked on SBG for saying I had an objectively bad product.. I consulted with high quality swordmakers like Tom Kinder and Andrew Hunton, Jeremy Boulder Valentine, and several others on on Facebook forum and they all agreed on the bend and the subpar work. How can Paul Southern come in here and gloat and brag and boast about making so many people happy when hes trying to suppress the bad reviews? That calls into question their integrity. We honestly don't know how many people they have upset because they are trying to take down any bad review they get. Meaning when you brag about good reviews that means nothing because you try to hide the bad reviews even when they are deserved. The customer service is mostly fine. I mean they did get very defensive when I 1st came to them with my concerns as if it was impossible which seems in line with sword buyer's guide the last few years. Very defensive, we can do no wrong, it's you and not us, etc. Furthermore I would say it looks bad on your business if every time somebody has a concern all you do is fight them with numbers like that. Yeah Damascus pot metal blades sell by the thousands every day that does not mean they are good products. I feel like most of their customer base does not really know their stuff and wouldn't have noticed my issues. I feel like they thought I would not notice the bend in the blade and they tried to save time, money and abrasives by not grinding a real true bevel on the sword. They did a semi decent bevel on the prototype stock model for the website but they didn't stay true to it for the ones they actually sent out. Because I definitely know how much money sanding belts cost and I definitely know how hard it is to fix a warp at a longer blade and how time consuming it is. It's not like these things are really that much money, but this sword only costs 75 dollars less than a Zombie Tools Zakasuki which is also USA made and also in thr same price range for overbuilt tank swords. And they would never ever send out a half ground, bent blade.. I knew to expect a roughly sharpened bar of metal but I thought I would get a bar of metal that looked more like the website photo and I thought at least they would send me something that was straight because all this really is is stock removal which is far more simple than forging. And even in the very last email where they try a 3rd time to send me a replacement rather than refund me they still don't admit that the blade is bent when they put it on a flat table. Anyone can see that that blade severely points to the left. I keep repeating this part because I just don't understand how they have not admitted that part yet.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 4, 2021 23:16:36 GMT
Furthermore to chime in on Troy's sword, there's a lot of odd things. I don't know why you would use 1095 as an overbuilt chopping material. I mean they can definitely be used as choppers but something else like 1075 or 1084 would have been better and easier to heat treat. I don't know why you would say case hardening, I don't know why you wouldn't just buy 5 gallons of parks 50 quenching oil which is really high quality and just heat up a bar of 1084 and quench it in park's 50. Three minutes of testing his Day Walker sword would have revealed how horribly soft it is in the center, Since a thru hardened bar of 1095 should not take a set at all if anything it should nearly snap before it takes a set if it was heat treated right. I don't know why you would quench 1095 at 1500゚ which is the wrong temperature for that steel type. I don't know why you wouldn't mention where you source your steel? I don't know why you wouldn't talk about normalisation cycles. It sounds like this guy should not be selling blades because not only can he not get his terminology right but he also doesn't really have any of the blade making process correct either. A professional blademaker would say to go back to the drawing board and learn somewhere before you start selling to people.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 5, 2021 3:31:38 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. yes,, I see that it was quite a fire,, I'm the OP , and I had no idea it was going to blow up like that,, but the sbg store has a lot of past customers here, and scorpion swords has a lot of listings in the store. Their demonstration blades look up to snuff,, but there are a few people who have said here or elsewhere that they had a bad one. Ultimately if the design IS what you are looking for, it WOULD be quite a disappointment to get a bad one, and it doesn't work for you when you wanted it to. Another problem is,,, with such thick stock, a bad heat treat might not show itself to a very large number of people for possibly years of ownership, as they just have it for the sake of having it, and never get around to hitting something. For example, imagine having a floppy one, and someone shows up with their Zombie Tools sword that looks actually smaller,, they cut, then when you go to cut,,, sword bent..... So, ultimately I personally WOULD like to celebrate those times people buy a sword and it's what they hoped for, and rue those times that they buy a sword that SHOULD be what they hoped for, but is a dud. But yes,, cancel no,,, learn and grow, yes. The concepts that scorpion swords is running on are very nice. also, a bar that size should be able to be pretty tough. I mean break tank treads tough.
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Post by tsmspace on Jun 5, 2021 3:40:29 GMT
You mean running out of "Force". I didn't realize lightsaber was running on "force" HHAHAH.... there are many theories about the lightsaber, but I personally feel it uses a phenomenon which MAY have been already detected at the LHC at CERN. Essentially, exploding out from these particle collisions are APPARENTLY gravity anomalies that could be explained by a vortex of energy that causes a sort of gravitational pull that is greater than the mass of the particle should create. I will use the visualization analogy of the difference between whirlpools caused by a drain, vs. whirlpools caused by a paddle. The whirlpools caused by the paddle do not pull on all of the water, much of the water is merely turbulence,, however for a limited area on the surface of the water,, the turbulence DOES pull on the water in the same was as a drain would. These collision remnants come blasting out of a collision, and some of them "may appear" (I tentatively say this because really I don't know, it's just the suggestion of some articles) as though they are pulling with a force of gravity on other remnants, redirecting the trajectory or these other remnants. (which is where the "tiny black holes" theory comes from,,, again,, I'm just talking out of my ass, but please excuse me),,,,, basically,,, you might be able to create a "black hole sword", which pulls with the force of enormous gravity ONLY ALONG THE EDGE OF THE BLADE,,, resulting in a visible plasma as matter is split right at this event horizon.. So,, the lightsaber does not cut with burning plasma,, it collapses matter to infinitely small within the area of the blade,, however along the edge of the blade it STILL DOES burn material, as there is no avoiding the plasma created by this black hole ripping at the matter. now,, for a more complete description of the lightsaber I imagine, and suggest is a realistic idea,,, I would love to go on about it, but,,, yeah I guess in a lot of star wars stories it's powered by the "force", channeled through a crystal. Of course,, my version would certainly require some high performance timing,, maybe a rare crystal would do the trick....
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 5, 2021 5:35:04 GMT
Mine needs a 5 V usb charging cable. (whrrrooosh wrhooooosh)
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jun 5, 2021 11:51:12 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. yes,, I see that it was quite a fire,, I'm the OP , and I had no idea it was going to blow up like that,, but the sbg store has a lot of past customers here, and scorpion swords has a lot of listings in the store. Their demonstration blades look up to snuff,, but there are a few people who have said here or elsewhere that they had a bad one. Ultimately if the design IS what you are looking for, it WOULD be quite a disappointment to get a bad one, and it doesn't work for you when you wanted it to. Another problem is,,, with such thick stock, a bad heat treat might not show itself to a very large number of people for possibly years of ownership, as they just have it for the sake of having it, and never get around to hitting something. For example, imagine having a floppy one, and someone shows up with their Zombie Tools sword that looks actually smaller,, they cut, then when you go to cut,,, sword bent..... So, ultimately I personally WOULD like to celebrate those times people buy a sword and it's what they hoped for, and rue those times that they buy a sword that SHOULD be what they hoped for, but is a dud. But yes,, cancel no,,, learn and grow, yes. The concepts that scorpion swords is running on are very nice. also, a bar that size should be able to be pretty tough. I mean break tank treads tough.
^^^ This. How can you be a bladesmith for 10+ Years and not know the most basic of stuff, this guy has been in business since I was in Highschool, ive now been making blades for 8 years how is he producing junk with that much time and practice to learn the craft? These blades look like a novice with no experience made them, why do all of their swordss have shallow 1/4" high bevels when then bevels should be taking up 3/4 of the entire profile? Why does he case harden 1095 when you can simply quench it and temper it and have it be damn near indestructible in normal use....1095 is the only steel i currently use and none of my blades have had the severe bending issues his exhibit. If my dumb Arse can figure it out anyone can. This just leaves me thinking the reason for the shoddy short bevels is because they can be made with 3-4 passes of an angle grinder instead of spending an hour or so grinding out a nice smooth full height bevel, this means he can spam them faster, and then skipping heat treat alltogether and saying "it makes them tougher so they bend dont break" as an excuse to skip another step of production. Basically looks like he waterjets 200 blanks at a time, spends 1 afternoon throwing bevels on them, and then grips them all the next day and calls it good.
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Post by Mikeeman on Jun 5, 2021 15:22:09 GMT
It is a very odd day when me and Wes agree, but here we are...
And please... This forum hasn't been about free speach as long as the rules are followed in a long time. If you can get banned for merely mentioning certain brands, that's not free speach. You dug yourself a hole. I just watched. And what an excellent hole you dug. Calling me low for pointing out lies to customers... What a joke. 😒 I wish Scorpion Swords a very happy go out of business.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jun 5, 2021 15:30:31 GMT
It is a very odd day when me and Wes agree, but here we are... And please... This forum hasn't been about free speach as long as the rules are followed in a long time. If you can get banned for merely mentioning certain brands, that's not free speach. You dug yourself a hole. I just watched. And what an ecellent hole you dug. Calling me low for pointing out lies to customers... What a joke. 😒 I wish Scorpion Swords a very happy go out of business. lmao My thoughts as well reading this post xD
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