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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 1, 2021 14:31:35 GMT
rereading the email to OP and I just cannot help but cringe. The very first thing said is basically "I know we told you we would replace your item, but I don't like that anymore and I think I'm going to change the deal (cue Darth Vader voice) "Pray I do not change it further. . ." (emperial march outtro) SERIOUSLY!? look, if you tell a guy you will do X thing to fix his problem, DO IT! your integrity rides on the fact of you following up your words with actions that match. this is a really low move. just bad I replied to this one since the other one was so long,, but yes it does seem to really want to bend at that one spot in the middle. I can also bend it right where the blade meets the handle, but nowhere near as much or as easily. I'm not sitting around bending it over and over again,,, though,, this is just from the bends you saw, and the ones you didn't see when I fixed it after the gatorade bottle, and fixed it better after the video. ,,, while fixing it the second time, I did accidentally bend it at the handle, i need to be careful to hold it on either side of the bend and not the extremes when returning it to straight. If I just hold the ends it won't really fix the bend proper, but will result in some slight warping near the bend, like a kinked wire. I will also suggest the edge retention isn't particularly good, so it's all related. as for case hardening, well, I imagined it as you describe, it's a really thick bar all the way down, so it just won't cool it all the way through. But I still wonder if the problem is quenching too many in a row in too small of an oil tube, heating the oil. I think it must stay hotter in the middle of the blade in this case, and cool at the tip a bit more. as for the oven, I can see that also resulting in a soft middle. I bought another blade that was a little bit similar,, I can't say for sure. It's a budk "forged warrior" jungle machete. It's like a kukri. It's interesting,,, the edge retention is pretty good, but it bends right above the handle. it is also quite a thick piece, but because it's shorter, it's less of an issue,, although it is always an issue. It has some fullers,, there, but they are ground in,, I was thinking about cold-hammering a fuller section into that one and seeing if it stiffens up,,, I wonder if the daywalker would take the same treatment. Like, I could cold hammer a fuller all the way down it and then it would get stiffer. I don't have any sort of relevant experience other than discussions like this, or a place to do it, but I have hammered on some metal before. (so loud, my neighborhood ,, I can't really do that sort of thing, I live in honolulu where everyone is so close together). anyway, it seems like if you cold-hammered a fuller down it , it would get more rigid from work-hardening. I would like to discourage you from trying to cold hammer a fuller into any finished blade. Work hardening is not beneficial in 1095 and other high carbon steels and it is very likely to break it. Hardness and stiffness are unrelated. You will not make a thing stiffer through hardening. Doesn’t work that way. Also a fuller does not make a blade stiffer the purpose of a fuller is to lighten a blade with minimal loss in stiffness. Grinding a fuller is just as good as forging it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 15:00:05 GMT
I have purchased three blades from Chris since 2013 and all have held up. I have also corresponded with him via email on several occasions and generally found him to be responsive and straightforward as a businessman. I am currently modifying a blade he sent me within the last year, which I am documenting on the forum.
I am chiming in here because I am concerned that this thread is becoming less of a dialogue and more of a diatribe. I have witnessed people pile on to such diatribes on this forum in the past, and each time it looked like a car wreck; a wreck that could have been avoided. When people make accusations against manufacturers on this forum, not everyone has a care for consulting the evidence. Some people like to resort to speculation and airing of petty grievances. I am not saying this is happening here, but I appreciate Paul's concern as an administrator that this NOT happen this time around. Forums are dubious things, indeed.
I also sympathize with the OP for receiving a dud. See my thread documenting my bad experience with BKS on this forum. I've been at odds with a manufacturer before, that's for sure.
I have no stake in this affair whatsoever, but I would just like to interject as a third party to encourage everyone to take a step back and reflect more on what you're saying BEFORE you say it. I edited this post HEAVILY before I hit REPLY. Also, consider weighing this one incident with what Chris has produced over the last 12 years.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jun 1, 2021 15:07:38 GMT
I have purchased three blades from Chris since 2013 and all have held up. I have also corresponded with him via email on several occasions and generally found him to be responsive and straightforward as a businessman. I am currently modifying a blade he sent me within the last year, which I am documenting on the forum. I am chiming in here because I am concerned that this thread is becoming less of a dialogue and more of a diatribe. I have witnessed people pile on to such diatribes on this forum in the past, and each time it looked like a car wreck; a wreck that could have been avoided. When people make accusations against manufacturers on this forum, not everyone has a care for consulting the evidence. Some people like to resort to speculation and airing of petty grievances. I am not saying this is happening here, but I appreciate Paul's concern as an administrator that this NOT happen this time around. Forums are dubious things, indeed. I also sympathize with the OP for receiving a dud. See my thread documenting my bad experience with BKS on this forum. I've been at odds with a manufacturer before, that's for sure. I have no stake in this affair whatsoever, but I would just like to interject as a third party to encourage everyone to take a step back and reflect more on what you're saying BEFORE you say it. I edited this post HEAVILY before I hit REPLY. Also, consider weighing this one incident with what Chris has produced over the last 12 years. ^THIS^ I also don't have a dog in this fight, but I urge everybody to base their responses on verifiable facts and evidence. Leave your feelings at the door. Every manufacturer has a dud from time to time, it happens to the best of the best. Responding with personal attacks and emotion based beliefs is not helping anybody on either side of the problem. Tempers flare and words get thrown back and forth, but the problem still remains. Breathe. Think. Write. Erase. Write it again. |
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 1, 2021 19:02:57 GMT
I am chiming in here because I am concerned that this thread is becoming less of a dialogue and more of a diatribe. It can't be a dialogue unless Chris answers our questions directly, and he hasn't. I was giving him the benefit of doubt until now because I don't expect him to be online all day, but I see the Scorpion Swords Facebook page is still posting ads today... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 19:18:02 GMT
I am chiming in here because I am concerned that this thread is becoming less of a dialogue and more of a diatribe. It can't be a dialogue unless Chris answers our questions directly, and he hasn't. I was giving him the benefit of doubt until now because I don't expect him to be online all day, but I see the Scorpion Swords Facebook page is still posting ads today... Just because this thread cannot be a dialogue because Chris has not or will not chime in doesn't mean it should devolve into a diatribe. This isn't some episode of Deal or No Deal. This isn't Tea and Cake or DEATH!
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Post by tera on Jun 2, 2021 22:06:56 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing.
I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture".
My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jun 2, 2021 22:49:09 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. It is also important to know of product failures, the reasons for them and how the manufacturer/vendor has responded and handled the problem. We should not allow shoddy workmanship or quality control be overshadowed by the "can't we all just get along" attitude of political/social correctness. It is exactly this type of process that the free market counts on to keep inferior products out of circulation. That said, there is no reason to not be civil in the investigation/discussion. |
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 3, 2021 0:51:19 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. So us senior members and sword makers embarrass you. There are more new makers every day right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 0:59:00 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. So us senior members and sword makers embarrass you. There are more new makers every day right now. Tera said the thread was embarrassing. Senior members and makers are not the only people who have contributed to this thread. Furthermore, Tera called for civility. Do you have a problem with being civil, Driggers? |
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Post by tera on Jun 3, 2021 1:42:30 GMT
I believe my sentiments may have been misunderstood, for reasons I understand. I do not want to stir up further drama, so let me say something positive instead.
Something special about this thread is how strongly it shows the forum operators' commitment to free speech. I admire that commitment and respect the careful decision making behind it.
I have learned a great deal from this community, and the community is as it is because of the rules and freedoms defined by those who run it. Thank you to those who have helped guide the way. Stay the course.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jun 3, 2021 1:47:01 GMT
So us senior members and sword makers embarrass you. There are more new makers every day right now. Tera said the thread was embarrassing. Senior members and makers are not the only people who have contributed to this thread. Furthermore, Tera called for civility. Do you have a problem with being civil, Driggers? I've been civil the whole time. |
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 3, 2021 4:55:29 GMT
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 3, 2021 4:59:16 GMT
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 3, 2021 5:10:42 GMT
I've never heard of the company in question, and my interests lie only in Japanese pattern blades, but even as a new member of this community I have to say I find this thread embarrassing. I hope we can return to civil discourse and act as partners with vendors to ensure all benefit. Too many forges are closing already and I have a general dislike of "cancel culture". My apologies to any who take offense, but I speak as I find. I find this characterization particularly cringeworthy. Everything is "cancel culture" now. Someone received a lemon, and trying to get a refund is "cancel culture". Somebody doped up his horses at Kentucky Derby and got caught literally for 49 times in the entire career was finally banned. He went on Fox News to complain about "cancel culture". The society is going mad. I don't find the discourse in this thread anywhere being uncivil. A couple of members may have delivered their opinions full of vim and vigor, that's because they find the honesty and honor among smiths an issue too close to home. Customers are not "partners of vendors", nor are they investors, if they were, they should have been receiving a cut of their profit. Someone pays his hard earned money in exchange of a product, doesn't matter if it's 300 bucks or 3 million bucks, he is entitled to receive what's advertised. This is not "cancel culture". I don't think on this issue, grilling and pressing Paul is productive, though. He did what he could, that is not throwing an affiliated maker under the bus, but the problematic characterizations of the problem did not originate in his mouth. He already tried to work with the maker to de-escalate and come up with a solution. |
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 3, 2021 5:34:28 GMT
I'll just note that what I keep handiest for when my ammo runs out is a katate-uchi made by some guy named Ujinobu in 1521, and nobody seems to have bent it yet. Straps nicely to a current-issue pack, and slices very well, too. I wonder how many of the swords we discuss here will still be in use in 500 years?
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 3, 2021 6:03:18 GMT
I'll just note that what I keep handiest for when my ammo runs out is a katate-uchi made by some guy named Ujinobu in 1521, and nobody seems to have bent it yet. Straps nicely to a current-issue pack, and slices very well, too. I wonder how many of the swords we discuss here will still be in use in 500 years? Send it to Kane, I bet he can bend it 😁 |
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jun 3, 2021 13:36:58 GMT
their explanation is such bullsemprini, my 1095 32" Long elvish sabers can be bent right over your knee in the exact same manner and they all spring back to true...My short blades can all be bent and spring back to true, none of them break.... why?
Because they are actually quenched and tempered. I do not buy that those are case hardened, They act exactly like a piece of NOT Quenched NOT Tempered NOT hardened steel reacts. Pure Junk. |
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Post by Kane Shen on Jun 3, 2021 16:07:55 GMT
I'll just note that what I keep handiest for when my ammo runs out is a katate-uchi made by some guy named Ujinobu in 1521, and nobody seems to have bent it yet. Straps nicely to a current-issue pack, and slices very well, too. I wonder how many of the swords we discuss here will still be in use in 500 years? I’m sure some would be, if the SHTF is still a sub-genre of adult fantasy in 500 years🙂 |
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 3, 2021 16:29:09 GMT
I'll just note that what I keep handiest for when my ammo runs out is a katate-uchi made by some guy named Ujinobu in 1521, and nobody seems to have bent it yet. Straps nicely to a current-issue pack, and slices very well, too. I wonder how many of the swords we discuss here will still be in use in 500 years? I’m sure some would be, if the SHTF is still a sub-genre of adult fantasy in 500 years🙂 More likely, it'll still be a good idea to keep a long, sharp edge as a backup to your blaster or whatever they carry in combat by then. |
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 3, 2021 16:37:43 GMT
I’m sure some would be, if the SHTF is still a sub-genre of adult fantasy in 500 years🙂 More likely, it'll still be a good idea to keep a long, sharp edge as a backup to your blaster or whatever they carry in combat by then. especially when your lightsaber runs out of battery. ;) |
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