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Post by paulmuaddib on Apr 27, 2021 2:45:52 GMT
Those are good ideas, but make a lot of assumptions. What if you are on the moors or grasslands and don't have any trees? Save the jerked meat for yourself and let the dogs eat wild game (if available) like rabbits and such. Pulling a barge sounds like a good idea - for people who have never seen a river in real life. Rivers have muddy banks, fallen trees/rocks etc, don't have any straight edges to speak of, and generally are next to impossible to walk along for any distance. In areas where animals are used to pull barges, the banks have been filled and straightened to accommodate a flat, solid surface for the animals to walk. But I understand we are in fantasy world. So what are the rules here? Is it the physical laws of our world, only with fantasy creatures? Is magic a thing? What are the limitations? Are there Dire wolves in this world? If so, I would use them instead of dogs. Are there mules and donkeys - the OP only mentions Shetland ponies so we know they exist, but for the rest? And if we can steampunk a bit of it, to what extent? Steampunk implies industrial capacity and knowledge of the Scientific Method- if so, then we can have a flying boat/ blimp with steam driven propellers or similar; and by extension imply a very different kind of adventure from a medieval/dark age era. Can I have my duck sled please and thank you? I was basing my ideas off a medieval D&D type world. Waterways have always been major routes before and after roadways have been introduced, hence the possibility of using a barge or raft in some instances. As long we're discussing what to use or take along on these types of adventures, here's a few other ideas. Instead of taking lamp oil in vials use vegetable oil. It serves the same purposes with the added feature of cooking. A torch (in D&D) will last an hour. This in fact isn't true unless you have a torch with a reservoir (like a Tiki torch). A torch you are taking into a cave dungeon will only last between 20-30 minutes depending on how breezy it is. Simply take a stick/tree limb, wrap it tightly with a strip of cloth (1" x 24") will do. Lightly run it over a saucer of oil or dribble a few drops of the oil onto the cloth. Use it sparingly, too much and it will run down the torch. Not pleasant to have burning oil run over your hand. Next light the torch. Watch the flame periodically as if it start to give off black smoke, you might be burning the wood. If the flame itself changes color the place you're in might have a harmful mix of fumes. When you stand still, the flame will move toward fresher air, if there is no air movement. Taking three or four of these torches will insure both light and an active fire at all times. Once the first torch starts to burn down, you wrap the second, dribble on the oil and light it from the first and so on. If the oil is depleted on the torch, simply wave it vigorously and the torch will go out. You don't even have to buy new oil, simply use the old oil in your fryer by filtering it (when cold) through a paper coffee filter. It will be darker than fresh but won't affect your result. Buy several small glass vials/bottles with cork stoppers. Try Ebay or a similar site for the bottles. Once you funnel the oil in them, apply the cork and then dribbles wax over the cork to seal the oil in. In a pinch the oil flask coupled with a strip of fabric braided as a wick becomes an improvised lamp. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE COLEMAN FUEL OR ANY WHITE GAS OR REGULAR GASOLINE- IT BURNS TOO HIGH AND FAST AND CAN EXPLODE !! As far as other equipment, a small garden grub/pick axe is a good choice. It's small, light weight and can be taken a part readily to be packed away. The grub blade is a decent substitute for a shovel and the pick blade can be used as a pick or to wedge shut a door, if you're being followed and need to buy some time. Next a camp axe with a poll/peen end. You'll want to have a goodly amount of clean rags for bandages, torch wrappings and to muffle the axe head when silence is needed. The next items go hand in hand with the poll headed axe: spikes. Buy four 8" spikes from Home Depot/Lowes wherever. Keep the heads on two of them and cut the heads off the other two. Next do a flat grind on all the points to bring them down to a semi sharp point. The two with the heads are for tool purposes, hanging lamps, using for climbing spikes etc. The two without heads make a decent thrown nuisance weapon/distraction. If I get the chance, I'll provide pictures. Demonskull, you scare me and I might be in love with you. I’ll get back to you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 5:38:34 GMT
Dogs have Teflon lined cast iron stomachs. They are meatasaurasus that can down anything fresh. Crunching and swallowing bones is not effort for a dog. And they don't require a lot of calories per day. A single rabbit can feed two or three large dogs for an entire day ( just cut it in half and throw it to them raw). And they don't necessarily need to eat every day at that, depending if they had enough at their last meal they can go two or three days with no food in an active environment, and up to a week without in hard times. I know this is all fantasy and dogs can eat almost anything. But in case anyone doesn’t know don’t feed dogs poultry bones. I’m sure most if not all of you know this but I just want to be cautious. And since this is fantasy, I say use zombies. Just cut their arms and lower jaw off. 😏 That's what I had in mind as well lol, about their stomachs. Poultry bones. I wonder if fish bones are the same
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Post by warriorpoet on Apr 27, 2021 17:15:27 GMT
I haven't read all the replies but the guy in the background is pure nightmare fuel.
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Post by demonskull on Apr 27, 2021 23:44:44 GMT
I added a picture to my previous post with some specific notes. These next couple of photos were taken in 2019 or early 2020, I believe. They give an idea of how an adventurer will be packed out. On the top of the backpack is strapped a wool blanket. On the left side is a bow case with a longbow inside. I prefer my small hunting recurve which is smaller, lighter and a faster shooter then the sixty pound longbow, I'm carrying in the picture. On the right side is attached a quiver with 20 arrows (appxrly). Not pictured: a waterproofed canvas tarp that I can use as a covering or ground cloth. This will be attached via the straps on the underside of the backpack. I configured the tarp so that can be converted to a one man tent and the bottom piece is a large pocket so the leaves and debris can be placed inside to insulate me from the ground. The back of the pack also has straps for a camp axe as described in the previous post. I have worn most of this setup with maille and it is reasonably comfortable even filled with food, a cook pot and bowl. Small items, flint/steel, tinder, sharpening stone, small file and or thieves tools can be stored in the pouches on my belt or in a shoulder pouch that goes over the shoulder and under the belt. This configuration distributes the weight more evenly. The sword used in the pic is a light hand and a half (Atrim 1417) and a heavy dagger (Windlass) on the right side. I have a canvas sack that contains rope that can be attached to the belt, if I need my hands free. i.imgur.com/XKnaMPo.jpg?1i.imgur.com/sc6sg3n.jpg?1i.imgur.com/IsrvAaH.jpg?1Carrying a spear gives the benefit of a ready weapon and a walking stick. It's easier to wield than a bow in a confined space.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 4:09:44 GMT
Oh semprini now I wanna post my gear I planned for a hypothetical situation such as this. Whenever I stop being lazy I'll gather it together and post something similar. Demonskull has a great format to answer with
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Post by Murffy on Apr 28, 2021 15:14:54 GMT
My experience with hiking is that every ounce counts on long walks in rough country. Demonskull's kit looks too encumbering to me. Awareness is one's best weapon. After lugging heavy gear around for a while (even if it feels manageable at first) you're soon aware of little but the bit of the trail in front of your feet. The less fatigued you are, the more aware you are. Also, if you're going through any sort of brush country where trails get narrow, any protrusions on your pack are going to get caught on things and be a substantial PITA. Any staff (or spear) longer than your body will become awkward and also a pain. A long spear in woods or brush is not going to be very effective especially if you have to pivot your facing.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Apr 28, 2021 15:19:59 GMT
My experience with hiking is that every ounce counts on long walks in rough country. Demonskull's kit looks too encumbering to me. Awareness is one's best weapon. After lugging heavy gear around for a while (even if it feels manageable at first) you're soon aware of little but the bit of the trail in front of your feet. The less fatigued you are, the more aware you are. Also, if you're going through any sort of brush country where trails get narrow, any protrusions on your pack are going to get caught on things and be a substantial PITA. Any staff (or spear) longer than your body will become awkward and also a pain. A long spear in woods or brush is not going to be very effective especially if you have to pivot your facing. Travel light, freeze at night.
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Post by Murffy on Apr 28, 2021 15:56:57 GMT
My experience with hiking is that every ounce counts on long walks in rough country. Demonskull's kit looks too encumbering to me. Awareness is one's best weapon. After lugging heavy gear around for a while (even if it feels manageable at first) you're soon aware of little but the bit of the trail in front of your feet. The less fatigued you are, the more aware you are. Also, if you're going through any sort of brush country where trails get narrow, any protrusions on your pack are going to get caught on things and be a substantial PITA. Any staff (or spear) longer than your body will become awkward and also a pain. A long spear in woods or brush is not going to be very effective especially if you have to pivot your facing. Travel light, freeze at night. True enough. But one might forego a weapon or two for warmer clothing. Or, better yet, bring that donkey.
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Post by demonskull on Apr 28, 2021 20:45:15 GMT
Travel light, freeze at night. True enough. But one might forego a weapon or two for warmer clothing. Or, better yet, bring that donkey. If this were a hiking trip, I'd agree with you but, the scenario was a Adventuring/D&D type. Weapons, equipment that is not needed for a hike might very well be needed here. Armor, climbing equipment, tools for digging, camp equipment, and small tools used for opening doors/locks, locked boxes might make the difference between you succeeding or failing in your quest. As with all party adventures, the more people the easier to distribute needed equipment/arms. The minimum party should be four as this allows all points to be covered. If more the less protected go in the center where the better armored can protect them. Yes the very title of this thread suggests using pack animal. I actually made a small adjustable pack saddle years ago and it's up in the attic unless I threw it out. It's very simply made and designed for a pony or small mule. I made it as a prop for a picture that never got taken.
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Post by Murffy on Apr 28, 2021 21:13:32 GMT
True enough. But one might forego a weapon or two for warmer clothing. Or, better yet, bring that donkey. If this were a hiking trip, I'd agree with you but, the scenario was a Adventuring/D&D type. Weapons, equipment that is not needed for a hike might very well be needed here. Armor, climbing equipment, tools for digging, camp equipment, and small tools used for opening doors/locks, locked boxes might make the difference between you succeeding or failing in your quest. As with all party adventures, the more people the easier to distribute needed equipment/arms. The minimum party should be four as this allows all points to be covered. If more the less protected go in the center where the better armored can protect them. Yes the very title of this thread suggests using pack animal. I actually made a small adjustable pack saddle years ago and it's up in the attic unless I threw it out. It's very simply made and designed for a pony or small mule. I made it as a prop for a picture that never got taken. Good points. Doughty adventure heroes are probably stronger than me and less likely to whine about lugging a bunch of crap around.
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Post by demonskull on Apr 28, 2021 22:39:28 GMT
If this were a hiking trip, I'd agree with you but, the scenario was a Adventuring/D&D type. Weapons, equipment that is not needed for a hike might very well be needed here. Armor, climbing equipment, tools for digging, camp equipment, and small tools used for opening doors/locks, locked boxes might make the difference between you succeeding or failing in your quest. As with all party adventures, the more people the easier to distribute needed equipment/arms. The minimum party should be four as this allows all points to be covered. If more the less protected go in the center where the better armored can protect them. Yes the very title of this thread suggests using pack animal. I actually made a small adjustable pack saddle years ago and it's up in the attic unless I threw it out. It's very simply made and designed for a pony or small mule. I made it as a prop for a picture that never got taken. Good points. Doughty adventure heroes are probably stronger than me and less likely to whine about lugging a bunch of crap around. Nah ! Half the fun is whining !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 8:00:53 GMT
So I was thinking about the minimalist (but fully capable) adventure load out idea, and I believe that generally speaking an equipment carrying animal is really highly recommended. I believe that a Shetland Pony would be a pretty interesting choice for this. I mean you have a creature that is a fraction of the weight and overall bulk of a horse but still maintains the ability to carry about 100lbs of gear and/or pull about 800 lbs of gear or supplies if it is in a cart, for example. The caveat is that you are probably not going to be able to ride it of course as a full grown human. Imagine the possibilities, it can enter with you into caves, dense forests, and even tunnels. It can graze upon vegetation you will come across anyway and require less food and clean up. This goes with my idea of having one of my dark goblin companions. Shown here. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/63038/version-goblin-darkI kind of think of this load out as being sort of the subcompact or snub-nose: there when you need them, easy to carry, and more then likely adequate enough for most situations. Thoughts? I think that my big fat behind would kill the poor thing really. I would break its back if I were to try and ride it, which would eventually kill it. I would cause it to suffer severe heart attacks by trying to haul my big fat behind, food, water and gear. Definite killer there. No thanks. I will have to stick with a normal horse. 😹😹😹😹
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 29, 2021 8:11:35 GMT
Me, my buddies and no more than what is absolutely necessary on our cart!
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Post by paulmuaddib on Apr 29, 2021 11:55:33 GMT
Me, my buddies and no more than what is absolutely necessary on our cart! Now that’s adventuring!
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 29, 2021 11:59:27 GMT
The only one Bavarians fear is thirst!
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