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Post by ginwulf on Apr 19, 2021 1:16:44 GMT
hello all, i have an odd question, and i can't seem to ask the search engine in a manor it helps me find an answer lol. so the question is , can i remake a wood core grip with out removing the peened pommel ?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 19, 2021 3:59:57 GMT
hello all, i have an odd question, and i can't seem to ask the search engine in a manor it helps me find an answer lol. so the question is , can i remake a wood core grip with out removing the peened pommel ? It depends. Is the pommel properly keyed? If so, it should remain tight and in position when the grip core has been removed. If not, you are going to have a trickier time leveraging the new core halves in place with enough pressure to prevent the pommel from loosening over time. In such a case, you may need to adjust the peen once the new handle is in place. Another factor to consider is how the old grip core was affixed. Pins, rivets, and excessive epoxy can all complicate the process of removing and replacing the grip. This doesn't magically go away by removing the pommel, but doing so does occasionally help. You can always attempt to keep the pommel and peen intact, and acknowledge the possibility that you may need to grind off the peen and remove the pommel based on what you find along the way. Fortune favors the bold.
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Post by ginwulf on Apr 19, 2021 10:50:40 GMT
thank you, i believe the pommel is is keyed proper, the guard may be a little loose. i do not have the tools to heat up the tang to peen, that is why i am asking. i was planning on using a little epoxy to hold the guard in place while i put the new core on, or cut a notch just ever so much so the guard fits tight then attach the core. i swear i remember long ago others had done this on here with good success , i just could not for the life of me find the threads.
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Post by mrbadexample on Apr 19, 2021 13:51:39 GMT
Swords in period often had little copper shims shoved in between loose hilt components. I’ve used that trick with little snips of copper pipe that I beat flat on an anvil. It does surprisingly well to stop a slightly short guard from wiggling against the pommel, and it’s really hard to notice.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Apr 19, 2021 17:23:37 GMT
I have done what you are thinking about doing several times quite a few actually. To the point about a keyed pommel that is probably the trickiest part because I have dealt with swords that had a rod at the end of the Tang which caused the pommel to want to spin. If you are lucky that will not be the case. But the best way in my opinion to do it is actually to have the pommel and guard locked into place on the Tang prior to fixing the grip. As mentioned above little metal shims work very very well for me in the past to lock the guard in place. If you're lucky the pommel is already wedged on to the Tang and so at the final steps you could just cold peen the pommel with some additional hammer strikes on the existing peen just to tighten it up. I have done that final step with some Del Tins in the past and it tightened the compression style grip set up pretty well. But again I find an epoxy grip after the fact once everything is already tight to be the best way, better than a compressed assembly. Excuse the giant paragraph for IM using my phone. Good luck
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Post by ginwulf on Apr 19, 2021 21:33:33 GMT
thank you. i found the making of Albion swords video today, i had totally forgot that this is how they make theres. if the pommel is loose i was thinking of epoxy to hold it in place , before i attach the grip. i like the idea of adding some grip room, so ill pry cut tang a bit longer so the guard will be wedged in place at least. its good to know this is something doable and im not about to ruin things lol
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Post by Jazzviper1 on Jul 6, 2021 2:46:22 GMT
I did this with my Shrewsbery sword. The grip on it was terrible. Just cut it off using a dremel and build the other one in two halves and sandwich them on the tang. Then cord an leather wrap.
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Post by aldarith on Jul 8, 2021 22:44:15 GMT
Swords in period often had little copper shims shoved in between loose hilt components. I’ve used that trick with little snips of copper pipe that I beat flat on an anvil. It does surprisingly well to stop a slightly short guard from wiggling against the pommel, and it’s really hard to notice. I have heard this as well, any pictures or names of sword that have this so I can go look them up?
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Post by mrbadexample on Jul 8, 2021 23:34:13 GMT
Hmmm. I think I read about it in something Peter Johnsson wrote. I’ll have to track it down.
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