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Post by Lionhardt on Mar 14, 2021 20:49:19 GMT
Hey friends! I searched the forum but could not find anything on here about this. As some, but probably not all of you know, Amazon is making a Lord Of the Rings TV series! It sounds like they are trying to do it right. They have committed to 2 seasons already but are planning on 5 if all goes well. They project a 1 billion dollar budget, while the LOTR movies grossed like $250 million ish.
It is supposedly set in the Second Age, thousands of years before the LOTR and the hobbit. But I am no expert...just a fan, who spends too much money buying the swords, too much time trying to make my own swords, successfully making incredible Aragorn leather costume pieces, and currently listening to the music while wearing my gold ring....lol.
Filming has begun in New Zealand and, after a brief halt due to covid, has resumed filming. And is supposed to be released around the end of 2021. (Pending further covid delays etc.)
But! The question I have is, do we know anything about the swords?! Who they were designed by? Who is making them?! Is Peter Lyons involved again?! Surely someone on here is friends with him and can reach out to him!
So many questions!
I thought this would be a fun post to see if anyone knows anything.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Mar 15, 2021 3:58:47 GMT
Yeah, I feel pretty pessimistic about the series in general but hopefully they turn to talented folks for new swords. I feel like the only memorable sword to come out of the whole hobbit trilogy was orchrist, so hopefully we get some fresh designs from Amazon.
No series ever gave so many iconic sword designs as LOTR. Swords that feel plausible while still looking so cool and distinct.
Pretty sure the series is going to botch itself trying to be gritty like Game of Thrones. Nude scenes don't add anything to LOTR in my opinion. Nobody will be allowed to triumph as a virtuous hero. I was on with Aragorn's transformation into a more self-effacing doubter in the movies but he was still portrayed as heroic and self-sacrificing.
And J.A. Bayona is signed for it, I don't feel great about that after the last Jurassic World.
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Post by Jash on Mar 15, 2021 23:09:39 GMT
Very good questions indeed! I've been wondering about this for a while as well... Don't throw a sword at me, but, a small part of me hopes the new sword designs aren't that great.... only because I'm not sure I have enough room for another collection lol.
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Post by Lionhardt on Mar 16, 2021 11:38:06 GMT
Ha! True true....
At the same time I hope they don't totally mess up the weapons. As a sword lover, nothing irks me more than when you have a halfway decent movie with decent costumes, then they give the characters totally unrealistic or clearly totally cheaply made weapons. Just.....why?! There are so many companies out there that could whip up a $100 sword that would still at least look totally authentic. I lose all respect for production companies that screw that up. Just no excuse!
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Post by warriorpoet on Mar 16, 2021 14:51:24 GMT
I have about zero faith this will be any good from what I've seen so far.
It will suffer from the many ills of modern story telling, making it a product of the 2020s Vs full immersion of Tolkiens world and age.
To me, GoT swords were largely forgettable designs.
I'm certainly not going to sign up for prime for it, or go out of my way to check it out. I was pretty stoked when I first heard about this but I'm sensing a bit of development hell and the casting doesn't ring true.
Too bad. There's a goldmine with the write director /vision. I don't see that this is it. Maybe I'll eat my words. That would be great.
And I agree, the hobbit was largely a swing and a miss with a couple memorable moments (singing dwarves by the fire and... Yeah, maybe just the Misty mountains song). The only stand out sword was Orcrist but even then, it's "off" in a way that the LOTR swords were not.
I think the dragon tooth is pointing the wrong way.
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Post by Jash on Mar 16, 2021 20:45:17 GMT
I just read on FB that Weta (at least for now) is not involved with this project... Firstly, that's sad to hear. Secondly, I wonder if that includes Peter Lyon or not....
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Post by warriorpoet on Mar 17, 2021 16:28:45 GMT
Ah man, hadn't heard that.
That would certainly affect visual or stylistic continuity imo, as many of those swords were still in play during the hobbit/lotr age!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 9:04:08 GMT
Hey friends! I searched the forum but could not find anything on here about this. As some, but probably not all of you know, Amazon is making a Lord Of the Rings TV series! It sounds like they are trying to do it right. They have committed to 2 seasons already but are planning on 5 if all goes well. They project a 1 billion dollar budget, while the LOTR movies grossed like $250 million ish. It is supposedly set in the Second Age, thousands of years before the LOTR and the hobbit. But I am no expert...just a fan, who spends too much money buying the swords, too much time trying to make my own swords, successfully making incredible Aragorn leather costume pieces, and currently listening to the music while wearing my gold ring....lol. Filming has begun in New Zealand and, after a brief halt due to covid, has resumed filming. And is supposed to be released around the end of 2021. (Pending further covid delays etc.) But! The question I have is, do we know anything about the swords?! Who they were designed by? Who is making them?! Is Peter Lyons involved again?! Surely someone on here is friends with him and can reach out to him! So many questions! I thought this would be a fun post to see if anyone knows anything. This is the first that I have ever heard of it. Thanks for the heads up. *Update I just looked it up on IMDb. I hope that they do not blow it. They need to avoid the naughty stuff that was so prominent in Game of Thrones and stay true to the heart and intent of the books by J. R. R. Tolkien. |
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Post by tancred on Apr 6, 2021 9:35:30 GMT
I'm going to echo some of the pessimism here. I'm a book purist. The best parts of the LOTR movies came straight from Tolkien's page, while the worst came from PJ and Co's fan-fic addled brains (and there were plenty of bad parts to the movies. lucky for PJ that the greatness of Tolkien's work largely overshadowed those terrible parts). So, I will be very cautious about this series, though I will still be interested to see how it turns out.
While I do agree with some of the pessimistic posts here, I will sort of disagree about some of the sword designs (and general cultural designs, too). Imo, nothing at all to really like from The Hobbit films. The only thing I can think of was seen only briefly in one of the movies. Couldn't tell you which Dwarf carried it, because the Dwarves were largely indistinguishable. However one of the Dwarves briefly carries what looks like a huge Type XVIIIc in Erebor while being chased by Smaug. The blade looked wonderful, but it was never seen again, much less seen in action.
In the LOTR movies, I think half the designs were good, and the other half ranged from mediocre to bad. This even goes for the "hero" swords. Don't care for Sting. Glamdring and Aragorn's Ranger sword and Anduril are only decent. The best swords to me are easily the least "fantastical"--Boromir's sword, Merry and Pippin's Barrow Blades (stupidly written out of the movie for Elvish swords, thus nullifying Merry's ability to weaken the Witch-King with a sword of Numenorean make), and the swords carried by most of the common Gondorian soldiers. Everything else weapon-wise is not very good, imo.
Ok, enough ranting. Won't be buying any swords coming out of this series unless they come up with something very "un-fantastical" that blows me away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 10:14:28 GMT
Brian Kent recently posted elsewhere with a redux of the The Return of the Highlander Sword Shoppers Guide as a facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/4840328519325476Hi all, as a member from long ago(literally 98/99 original HSG days) I decided to reignite the Highlander Sword Shopper Guide on facebook. Its dedicated to swords/weapons of film and screen of any franchise. We have nearly 1k members. Please feel free to join if you are interested! |
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Post by clydehollis on Apr 20, 2021 0:25:45 GMT
Yeah, I feel pretty pessimistic about the series in general but hopefully they turn to talented folks for new swords. I feel like the only memorable sword to come out of the whole hobbit trilogy was orchrist, so hopefully we get some fresh designs from Amazon. No series ever gave so many iconic sword designs as LOTR. Swords that feel plausible while still looking so cool and distinct. Pretty sure the series is going to botch itself trying to be gritty like Game of Thrones. Nude scenes don't add anything to LOTR in my opinion. Nobody will be allowed to triumph as a virtuous hero. I was on with Aragorn's transformation into a more self-effacing doubter in the movies but he was still portrayed as heroic and self-sacrificing. And J.A. Bayona is signed for it, I don't feel great about that after the last Jurassic World. redmichael. I totally agree. Stay true to the original theme and good triumphs over evil just as Tolkien first wrote the LOTR. No nudity, no real cuss words. Just a well done series of books turned into movies. That is what we all fell in love with. I guess here is where I need to ask this. So we have the Strider Ranger sword, which is the first sword from the series I loved. What sword would this group like to see Kingdom of Arms make? |
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Post by tancred on Apr 20, 2021 16:22:37 GMT
redmichael. I totally agree. Stay true to the original theme and good triumphs over evil just as Tolkien first wrote the LOTR. No nudity, no real cuss words. Just a well done series of books turned into movies. That is what we all fell in love with. I guess here is where I need to ask this. So we have the Strider Ranger sword, which is the first sword from the series I loved. What sword would this group like to see Kingdom of Arms make? Hello Clyde. Most of the swords of the major characters had repros made. There were two exceptions, though--Merry and Pippin's Barrow Blades. Not really surprising seeing as how those very important swords were stupidly written out of the movies. Its a shame, because they were important (esp. Merry's), and they were pretty cool designs. If Kingdom of Arms were to make a sword from the movies, I'd recommend these. |
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Post by warriorpoet on Apr 20, 2021 16:24:02 GMT
Oh, the thought of battle ready LOTR steel makes me giddy. My fist thought is Boromirs sword! I also love the Gondor swords. I'm a huge fan of leaf shaped blade as well so it would be awesome to see glamdring done right  . I picked up legacy arms halfling sword and it's nice as well. I don't think anyone has offered the Rohan swords (theoden, eowyn) and that would be neat! And maybe not terribly difficult, brass firings, peened over. The uc herugrim is terribly heavy. I think the fittings and carbon steel could bring cob back towards the hilt, and it might end up balancing well. (well enough to perhaps take an oliphant down with a single leg swipe! Lol) From the films I think Striders sword, glamdring and sting stood out the most to me. As a sword guy, I've grown to appreciate Boromirs sword. For some reason I wasn't as wild about Anduril, and I always wondered what happened to his first wonderful sword! (did I see it on Bilbos wall? At the start of fellowship? What's happening there. What dark wizardry is afoot?  ) |
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Post by warriorpoet on Apr 20, 2021 16:28:23 GMT
Tancreds point about the barrow blades is well met. It would be unqiue in the market, though maybe largely forgettable to more "casual " fans.
I think the sword of samwise was a good seller for uc, but even it has a bit more screen time than Pippin and Merrys blades. The designs were cool on them, no doubt.
What about Orcrist? As far as I know that has never been offered in battle ready version. The dragon tooth could be done in a nice patterned wood to simulate it while being more usable.
The design is the best of the hobbit films. Maybe a "troll horde " series down the road? (hey, I can dream!)
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Post by Strider on Apr 20, 2021 17:44:22 GMT
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Post by warriorpoet on Apr 20, 2021 18:01:26 GMT
Looking at the picture, I'm not sure if the Gondor swords would stand out enough. Boromir, glamdring, Orcrist are my choices |
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Post by Strider on Apr 20, 2021 18:07:16 GMT
Yep, they are the more standard soldier type sword not as refined or ornate as the others
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Post by clydehollis on Apr 21, 2021 12:58:48 GMT
Tancreds point about the barrow blades is well met. It would be unqiue in the market, though maybe largely forgettable to more "casual " fans. I think the sword of samwise was a good seller for uc, but even it has a bit more screen time than Pippin and Merrys blades. The designs were cool on them, no doubt. What about Orcrist? As far as I know that has never been offered in battle ready version. The dragon tooth could be done in a nice patterned wood to simulate it while being more usable. The design is the best of the hobbit films. Maybe a "troll horde " series down the road? (hey, I can dream!) Wasn't Paul from SBG doing a version of the Orcist? The Barrow Blades, I looked and there seems to be 4 originally. Not sure how well they would do. |
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