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Post by berntk on Mar 6, 2021 1:48:54 GMT
Hi all. I just bought this one locally, and I'm curious whether any of you fine gents can identify the maker from the pictures. There's a maker's/ supplier's mark on the spine, but it's worn away to almost total obscurity. The sword seems to be in good order; the clip point seems to be period/ field done, the yelman is at least somewhat remaining. However, it looks like some previous owner took a polishing wheel to the point. I guess that the three dots on the langet signifies that the sword was retired from service?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 11:50:13 GMT
Interesting
Woolley & Deakin or Woolley Deakin & Co. From quick notes on hand, 1800 to 1806.
I have a late 1780s Woolley marked spadroon and a Woolley Deakin & Co. American eagle pommel sabre which falls in the 1803-1806 bracket so if just Woolley & Deakin the dating would be 1800-1803. I can see an ampersand but can't figure what is next? It might be Dutton, which would put it in the next stint roughly 1808-1812.
Nice looking sword
Some Woolley dates but not necessarily to be confused with how they are marked. Courtesy of oldswords.com
England Birmingham Woolley, James 1785 1788 Square England Birmingham Woolley, James & Co 1790 1797 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley & Deakin 1800 1803 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley, Deakin & Dutton 1808 1812 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley, Deakin & Plimley 1808 1812 Deritend Mill England Birmingham Woolley & Sargant 1815 1816 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley, Sargant & Crane 1818 1820 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley & Sargant 1821 1825 74 Edmund St England Birmingham Woolley, Sargant & Fairfax 1826 1834 74 Edmund St
Cheers GC
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Post by berntk on Mar 6, 2021 18:29:05 GMT
Fantastic! That's good and solid information. Thank you!
Cheers B
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Post by tiffin on Jul 14, 2023 15:10:36 GMT
+1 for Woolley, Deakin & Co., but the dates provided are just slightly off (not by much). That data looks lifted from Bezdek, which is awfully researched (IMO). e.g. he's listed Woolley, Deakin & Plimley, who were a side company which produced steel, and not swords.
Woolley, Deakin & Co. comprised James Woolley, Francis Deakin, John Vaughan Dutton & Francis Johnson from October 1804 to June 1808. Johnson left the firm in June 1808 (under somewhat of a cloud, and was subject to some unfair mud-slinging), and the firm contunued from that date as Woolley, Deakin & Dutton. Woolley, Deakin & Dutton used (mostly) a three line stamp without ampersand (there are always exceptions!).
You can check this info. at swordresearch.org and type in woolley. Clicking the 'I' button shows you the sources for each data point, which comprises contemporary, primary data, and doesn't rely on mistakes made and promulgated by researchers.
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