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Post by swordsaregreat on Feb 3, 2021 22:24:33 GMT
Hi all, Excited to join the forums and learn more about swords and makers. I recently found this sword and was trying to research it, but cannot find the maker, country of origin or other information. A date is located with makers mark reading "1831" but I cannot make out anything else on the sword. A member mentioned I should post it here, and that it may be Italian. Could anyone tell me what maker, nationality and type of sword this is? Any help greatly appreciated and thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 0:55:39 GMT
Give it time, there are still a few that wander through this room.
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Post by Spathologist on Feb 5, 2021 1:04:30 GMT
It might be helpful to take a piece of chalk or a white crayon and rub it over the marks, then wipe away the excess leaving the depression filled with white. It's worked well for me in the past.
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Post by swordsaregreat on Feb 6, 2021 1:04:35 GMT
Hi all,
Thank you for the chalk idea, tried it out and not sure if it helped but it was interesting!
The first short word looks like it ends with "S" or "&". The second word appears to spell something like:
Ardesero Andsiro Ardemo Ardrino
but I cannot make it out, it is still very hard to read and marked deep. Any help greatly appreciated!
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Post by christopher jonasson on Feb 7, 2021 21:02:52 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Feb 12, 2021 18:01:32 GMT
Concur with the Italian vibes. Grip, backstrap and pommel section all point to an Italian M1833 series sabre. 1831 is the date here if I am correct. It is indeed quite difficult to find good info on Italian stuff. Try a search but translate the keywords in Italian first with G. Trans. Got good results when hunting for my Italian sabres. G. Trans. will translate complete pages under links. The white was a good idea, but in this instance I would try to remove all crud from the text without destroying the letters. Get as deep as is possible and use a magnifying glass and some very thin and sharp implement like a clothes pin glued into a small paint brush handle, Q tips and acetone. Some use of a rust remover may help too. Just drop some of the stuff in with a Q tip, but be sure to neutralize with some ammonia to keep the text crisp. Point of this excercise is to hold the sword in the best (indirect) light and get help from shadow. Move it around until you can make out the lettering. M. glass may be of service here too. The indirect light cum shadow bit gave me good results more than once. If I am correct the name and city of the supplier will come out. Many Italian sabres etc. had the hilt parts made in Italy and the blades imported from Solingen. Maybe have a look under the langets too while you're at it. Get the crud out and see what's under there. May also be useful to have a look at on of my Italian sabre threads. I think there are some examples of this kind of insciption there. Also some links that may be of use to you. Hope this helps you out a bit.
Cheers.
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Post by swordsaregreat on Feb 14, 2021 4:05:34 GMT
Thanks for the help Uhlan and Christopher, I will do some more research on the Italian city states of the period!
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 14, 2021 5:10:06 GMT
Thanks for the help Uhlan and Christopher, I will do some more research on the Italian city states of the period!
I think I smell Sardines, maybe.
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Post by Uhlan on Feb 15, 2021 13:50:48 GMT
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