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Post by pgandy on Oct 18, 2020 23:11:42 GMT
Your anxiety is understandable. Let us know your thoughts after receiving it.
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Post by bas on Oct 19, 2020 2:21:51 GMT
I feel your pain Edelweiss, freight has become much more of a lottey this year, and it is unlikely to get better anytime soon. I have a similar sword due to me from the UK that I'm hoping will arrive before the Christmas postal rush.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 19, 2020 3:03:31 GMT
Are there issues importing antique swords that customs deems to have ivory grips?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 7:00:57 GMT
Are there issues importing antique swords that customs deems to have ivory grips? Listed as a bone grip, we shall see. It is unlikely that the sword will even be inspected. The Cites regulations include exceptions for antiquity. Some dealers (auction houses) put the responsibility on the buyer, other sellers do the paperwork. Most of the 18th and early 19th century ivory grips are mastadon or walrus ivory. I have several, most sold in the US. There was later a huge US African ivory trade in the mid and later 19th century, and many piano veneers and billiard balls were churned out. One source in particular was surely the source for the Ames Sword Company. A good handful of my earlier militia swords are ivory. One in particular though has more the texture and brown color of the mastadon "bark" we see even now on the modern custom knife circuit. Some of these are ivory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivoryton,_Connecticut In time, there was a substance labeled ivorine and used greatly into the 20th century. Those later ivorine sword grips we see on US masonic swords test for ivory, even though it was ground ivory scrap. Walrus ivory has a slightly different look and my yataghan is an example.. If this spadroon is ivory and appears to have been "smuggled" in, I will have no compunction, nor will I have any feeling of stigma. In fact I do somewhat go out of my way to find the old swords of the mastadon grip era. There is a growing trade of mastadon hunters again looking for the old tusks and while that is becoming part of the global issues regarding wanton modern elephant poaching, the Cites regulations do hamper the sale of true antiques and modern knifemakers (and other craftsfolks) quite greatly. Cheers GC
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Post by markus313 on Oct 20, 2020 6:20:03 GMT
Wonderful pieces. Congrats on your purchase(s). Pressing thumbs to get it to your door without problems. Please keep us updated on those beauties.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 16:32:36 GMT
The sword has been processed through Royal Mail customs at Heathrow and outbound as of 0800 udt.
So far so good. At least it was not a case of a smallsword not progressing to US customs for many weeks. No doubt a difference between surface freight and an airmail parcel. It has been a long time but I suspect it will be here well within 10 business days. My little hanger from France also via air came across the pond fairly quickly (five business days). That was 2019 though. The smallsword (sold in late 2019) was in the doldrums day after day, week after week but in the end eventually got sorted from the boat load.
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Post by pellius on Oct 24, 2020 4:53:15 GMT
edelweiss - very nice yataghan.
For what it may be worth, earlier this month I had a saber shipped from the UK to Florida. It took 8 days door-to-door. No ivory or ivory-like material, though.
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Post by pellius on Oct 24, 2020 4:54:24 GMT
... I keep falling off the wagon with those last unintended adoptions this year. ... For real.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 11:21:44 GMT
The sword passed through customs and is listed as due Monday. A friend in the midwest just saw his Tod stiletto arrive at Chicago with a similar timeline, so Royal Mail seems to be getting the job done.
re falling off the wagon The British 1821 officers heavy cavalry and Rose reproduction the unexpected ones. The smallsword didn't get to me until February and was last year's budget.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 24, 2020 12:07:17 GMT
I would very much appreciate you giving your thoughts on the Rose. I assume it's the one that's been advertised on ebay as a spadroon that you suggested that I buy. I like the lines but haven't found any specs on it and did not order. I would very much like to have one if it has decent handling. I'm all past customs, that can be a hassle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 15:47:35 GMT
I would very much appreciate you giving your thoughts on the Rose. I assume it's the one that's been advertised on ebay as a spadroon that you suggested that I buy. I like the lines but haven't found any specs on it and did not order. I would very much like to have one if it has decent handling. I'm all past customs, that can be a hassle. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/61598/rose-1808-reproduction-indiaThere are currently 2 in stock www.ebay.com/itm/1808-Rose-Army-NCO-Sword/184289966778?www.ebay.com/sch/paint2/m.html?I was a bit ambiguous about my impressions but the overall heft is nose heavy and a very linear distal measured at the spine. POB is out there at about 7 inches and 5mm thick to 4mm up to the end of the fuller and start of the false edge. My example is ready to be cutting sharp from the pob forward and an excellent grind. Imo, ready for heavy thrusting and once honed, ready for light to medium targets without perceived issues. 27.5mm at the guard and 27mm just past the short ricasso. The well done washer may stay in place. The blade narrows (like the distal)in a very linear fashion to 25mm at the end of the fuller and start of the back edge. The cross section very axe like, a wedge with "niku" and the pointy six inches truly lenticular. It is not as handy as my period Starr 1818, which is broader and shorter (currently in storage). So to sum up, nose heavy in a good way, no epee. Ready for honing sharp back to the pob. I am struck at how well the overall grind was done. The grip area is greater than 4", between the guard and pommel shank. The wood portion a touch more than 3". Suitable for large hands in a hammer grip. Commodious in a handshake grip. I hope this is helpful. Maybe pictured as a group next week. Cheers GC
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Post by harrybeck on Oct 24, 2020 17:30:21 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear which broad gave it to you....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 20:54:24 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear which broad gave it to you.... Britannia
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Post by pgandy on Oct 24, 2020 21:29:32 GMT
sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/61598/rose-1808-reproduction-indiaThere are currently 2 in stock www.ebay.com/itm/1808-Rose-Army-NCO-Sword/184289966778?www.ebay.com/sch/paint2/m.html?I was a bit ambiguous about my impressions but the overall heft is nose heavy and a very linear distal measured at the spine. POB is out there at about 7 inches and 5mm thick to 4mm up to the end of the fuller and start of the false edge. My example is ready to be cutting sharp from the pob forward and an excellent grind. Imo, ready for heavy thrusting and once honed, ready for light to medium targets without perceived issues. 27.5mm at the guard and 27mm just past the short ricasso. The well done washer may stay in place. The blade narrows (like the distal)in a very linear fashion to 25mm at the end of the fuller and start of the back edge. The cross section very axe like, a wedge with "niku" and the pointy six inches truly lenticular. It is not as handy as my period Starr 1818, which is broader and shorter (currently in storage). So to sum up, nose heavy in a good way, no epee. Ready for honing sharp back to the pob. I am struck at how well the overall grind was done. The grip area is greater than 4", between the guard and pommel shank. The wood portion a touch more than 3". Suitable for large hands in a hammer grip. Commodious in a handshake grip. I hope this is helpful. Maybe pictured as a group next week. Cheers GC Thanks for the update on the specs. I do like the lines of the sword but the specs? My Universal P1796 with it’s out of spec blade may handle better. It was advertised as 1 lb 13 oz but mine weighed in just over a kilo. Blade thickness is 7.6-4.7 mm, a little thick at the foible I believe, other than that it won’t fit the sheath. The PoB is 6 ⅜” and it feels nose heavy, certainly not docile as I would expect a spadroon to be. It’s a beautiful sword but I would call it a dud. I would have returned it but for the international shipping. My freight forwarder now accepts returns. I have returned a couple of items and they paid the expense for both directions. I like the P1796 and see a potential. I am just waiting for KoA to have it in a 10xx steel, no more EN9 for me. As for the 2 Rose NCOs in stock I’ll think a bit more on it. At any rate I haven’t purchased a sword this year as the distances and the number of people involved to get it through customs is more than I care to deal with until this pandemic blows over. Thanks again for the update.
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Post by harrybeck on Oct 24, 2020 21:46:51 GMT
Oh the rich one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:44:10 GMT
The Rose is not a magic spadroon and might be better regarded as a shorter backsword. I have period spadroons that are oinkers compared to some of the most lithe. I am not a salesman for the Rose but despite its numbers, I don't feel its ability too detached from history. As to hardness, or temper, I suppose it might be a roll of the dice but I find the modern fascination with proofing reproductions a bit inane at times.
The incoming spadroon is not a reproduction and it will be further evaluated once in hand.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 25, 2020 13:36:50 GMT
The Rose is not a magic spadroon and might be better regarded as a shorter backsword. I have period spadroons that are oinkers compared to some of the most lithe. I am not a salesman for the Rose but despite its numbers, I don't feel its ability too detached from history. As to hardness, or temper, I suppose it might be a roll of the dice but I find the modern fascination with proofing reproductions a bit inane at times. The incoming spadroon is not a reproduction and it will be further evaluated once in hand. Cheers GC To consider the Rose in light of a backsword makes me look at it in a different light. Ditto for that P1796 that I have. It looks like a spadroon but handles more like a backsword. I hadn’t thought of it that way. You have made me feel better about it, thanks. Its best features are that it wouldn’t be easily deflected and has outstanding thrust characteristics, the best penetrator I have. Now back to the Rose ad, and write up, while I drool a bit more. I do like the lines.
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Post by Eric Bergeron on Oct 25, 2020 18:25:22 GMT
Thanks Edelweiss for the info on that 1808 rose sword, I just purchased one as I was fascinated by the design.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 6:56:19 GMT
Oct 25th In Transit, Arriving Late This AM shows it not yet logged into Providence. Last check after NY was CT and no doubt then to Boston and west again to Springfield before down to Providence, then north once more to me (spittin' distance to CT) The Burrillvile Triangle Eric's Rose purchase brings that stock down to one but the seller seems to get batches every year. Cheers GC
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