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Post by randomnobody on Oct 12, 2020 4:32:55 GMT
Ooh, I like the new stuff.
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Post by ihutch1 on Oct 15, 2020 10:40:42 GMT
Ooh, I like the new stuff.
Here is the first pic of the two chilanums. He said the right one was difficult, but I am very satisfied with how they look:
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 15, 2020 11:57:29 GMT
Oh, wow. When he says it was difficult, I assume he means twisting the grip? That's a fantastic design element and he did it well, if so.
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 14:41:23 GMT
Interesting - the chillanum with the knucklebow curves the opposite way to all the others I've ever seen. I'm only passingly familiar with Indian weapons, though. Is that just a rarer variety?
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 15, 2020 15:35:29 GMT
Shoot, MOK, I didn't even notice that. That's really bothering me now...
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 15, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Okay, so I've done a quick Google search and under images, there are at least four original chilanum with the D-guard on the side opposite the direction of curve. Considering it's a pretty even split between not having the D-guard at all, and putting it on either side, I'm hesitant to call one way "typical" versus the other.
Now I'm wondering how they're typically held in use. I figured a reverse grip, curving back toward the user, but maybe some folks hold it curving away, or maybe blade-up rather than blade-down.
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 18:01:37 GMT
Could you link a few? I'm honestly curious and am having no luck at all on Google, Duckduckgo, Startpage, Pinterest or oriental-arms; I'm seeing a very few straight ones, several where the blade simply curves forward with maybe just the edge swept slightly backward at the very point, but not a single recurved blade that curves backward at the base and forward at the tip. (I'm ignoring the ones without a knucklebow since the vast majority of those have a completely symmetrical hilt so the direction of the curve is up to the user's whim.)
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 15, 2020 18:59:57 GMT
Just a few. I don't think any are duplicates, but correct me if I'm wrong. www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-scarce-indian-mughal-chilanum-all-steel-dagger-312-c-bb55212d66www.olympiaauctions.com/sales/arms-armour/as061217/view-lot/36/www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/an-indian-dagger-chilanum-probably-deccan-1318292-details.aspx (see: 130) www.olympiaauctions.com/sales/arms-armour/as270618/view-lot/145/www.caravanacollection.com/project/chilanum-dagger-4.htmlwww.olympiaauctions.com/sales/arms-armour/as270618/view-lot/179/www.tumblr.com/tagged/chilanum (a gallery of several, but a few are relevant) www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/thomas-del-mar-ltd/catalogue-id-srthomasd10012/lot-0841d7dd-b8f2-454c-954a-a8f901103e27armthearmour.tumblr.com/post/183039202300/a-beautiful-gold-hilted-chilanum-studded-with/ampwww.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/hermann-historica-ohg/catalogue-id-srher10026/lot-1b01fa07-c0eb-48d2-be57-a696008f67b6www.liveauctioneers.com/item/52835623_an-indian-chilanum-daggerSome of these have me questioning where lines are drawn for the type, as some other attributions to each include khanjar/khanjarli, jambiya, etc. Oh, okay. Some links decided to embed as images. Weird. Thinking further on it, I suppose if my original idea if how these are held/used is accurate (reverse grip, curving back toward user) having the guard on the side opposite the curve would put it forward, or "out front" if you will. You know, toward the other guy. Thus, in a better place for protecting the hand. Maybe?
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Post by MOK on Oct 15, 2020 20:38:29 GMT
Oh, that's really neat. Thanks!
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 15, 2020 20:59:42 GMT
Definitely interesting. Indian weapons are weird, but I love them for it.
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Post by ihutch1 on Oct 16, 2020 11:18:03 GMT
Interesting - the chillanum with the knucklebow curves the opposite way to all the others I've ever seen. I'm only passingly familiar with Indian weapons, though. Is that just a rarer variety? Yes, having the knuckle bow on the other side of the recurve is perhaps more common, but I have seen both. Another variation is which way the point faces at its termination; up, down, straight. Definitely interesting. Indian weapons are weird, but I love them for it. They look exotic or fantastical, without being impractical or pure fantasy. The left chilanum in particular looks like it came straight out of the Hyborian age, with a very Conanesque aesthetic. Oh, wow. When he says it was difficult, I assume he means twisting the grip? That's a fantastic design element and he did it well, if so. I believe that was what he was referring too. I'm not sure whether he went with filing in the spriral rather than twisting the metal, I can imagine it would be hard to get the correct contours through just twisting the handle. I will update if he gives me an answer or when I get it.
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Post by ihutch1 on Nov 13, 2020 4:53:33 GMT
Just received my new shipment, packaging was excellent. Shipping speed was very good again. The daggers/knives are all excellent. They feel right and seem well finished. The Chilanum and Peshkabz at the bottom of the grouping are my favorites of the new lot. The sword blades are okay, but not what I was looking for. The double fullered blade was meant to be a replacement for the one in my last order, same form but more in accordance with my desired stats. Unfortunately, it is only slightly different than the previous one. The two golia blades and the shashka feel good in the hand, they are not too heavy (about 600-620g for the golia, 850g for the shashka), but they still lack good distal taper. If they had that they would be excellent. I tried to emphasize and illustrate this, but it did not seem to catch which is strange since all the peshkabz I've received have excellent taper. All in all, still pleased. Good value for money and an especially nice option if you are looking for daggers/knives.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 13, 2020 6:38:39 GMT
Those daggers do look good. Shashka is a bit...odd. Can't really see the other blades, but it's a shame they're not a good fit to your needs.
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Post by ihutch1 on Nov 13, 2020 20:20:03 GMT
Those daggers do look good. Shashka is a bit...odd. Can't really see the other blades, but it's a shame they're not a good fit to your needs. The shashka is the Bukharan type, not the more well-recognized Circassian or Cossack type. He got the look right except for using 3 pins in the handle instead of 5.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 13, 2020 21:56:45 GMT
Those daggers do look good. Shashka is a bit...odd. Can't really see the other blades, but it's a shame they're not a good fit to your needs. The shashka is the Bukharan type, not the more well-recognized Circassian or Cossack type. He got the look right except for using 3 pins in the handle instead of 5. I've only seen a handful of bukharan shashka, but I'm struggling to remember whether that dramatic sweep into the tip is a common feature. That's pretty much the only thing that makes me hesitate on this sword.
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Post by ihutch1 on Nov 13, 2020 23:41:30 GMT
I've only seen a handful of bukharan shashka, but I'm struggling to remember whether that dramatic sweep into the tip is a common feature. That's pretty much the only thing that makes me hesitate on this sword. These were the examples I gave as inspiration:
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 14, 2020 0:09:16 GMT
Ah, very good, then. I'm usually not too keen on tips like that, but if that's how they're done, I can't say it's wrong. Their hilts remind me a lot of Khyber knives, which I already knew, but still amuses me.
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Post by ihutch1 on Nov 14, 2020 2:30:28 GMT
Ah, very good, then. I'm usually not too keen on tips like that, but if that's how they're done, I can't say it's wrong. :-X Their hilts remind me a lot of Khyber knives, which I already knew, but still amuses me. Yes, they are very knife like in appearance. In fact, I thought they were a lot shorter than they are based on appearance alone. Turns out they seem to be 29-35in.
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Post by airborne on Jan 30, 2021 15:43:04 GMT
Hello ihutch1 , Very interested in your thread regarding the products you bought from Taksali Kirpan Shastar , especially the Pulwar , real classy and authentic looking kit . Could you tell me the dimensions of your replacement blade please , length / width at handle / and especially the tapering in mm ? I was a little confused with the various photos so can you tell me is that the replacement blade with the two thin fullers or the one with the single deeper ?wider fuller ? Also , I have tried searching for a website for this company without success , only facebook , have they actually got a website ? Thanks
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