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Post by hrvatistan on Aug 18, 2020 21:36:51 GMT
Hi everyone, I have this sabre I was recently told is an Austrian cavalry sabre from the mid 19th century. After browsing the forum I find it most resembling the 1850 model. However, it has a different number od holes on the hilt and the grip is snakeskin wrapped/coated. Unfortunately there's no inscription apart from CC. I would really appreciate it if you could help me identify the model. Thanks in advance! ibb.co/CmhvVLtibb.co/RBVyJQvibb.co/ySF1pjpibb.co/Mfzs48yibb.co/zGT56Qz
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Post by Dave Kelly on Aug 18, 2020 23:28:27 GMT
Hi everyone, I have this sabre I was recently told is an Austrian cavalry sabre from the mid 19th century. After browsing the forum I find it most resembling the 1850 model. However, it has a different number od holes on the hilt and the grip is snakeskin wrapped/coated. Unfortunately there's no inscription apart from CC. I would really appreciate it if you could help me identify the model. Thanks in advance! ibb.co/CmhvVLtibb.co/RBVyJQvibb.co/ySF1pjpibb.co/Mfzs48yibb.co/zGT56QzWhat you are looking at is an early model 1858 cavalry saber. The 45 and 50 both had problems with guard plates cracking and failing at the tang port. The 1858 put a reinforcing plate at the tang port. The 7 drain holes on the guard plate are unique to the series as the odd hole is centered on the bottom of the plate, while 3 are on each side. The final standard issue of the guard plate was narrower and rose higher at the top. Info was taken from "With Drawn Sword", Ortner and Artlieb, Verlag Militaria published, pg 209.
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Post by hrvatistan on Aug 19, 2020 14:11:47 GMT
Thank you for the reply! Unfortunately I don't have access to that book so I can't check myself. Does it maybe mention what CC could stand for (the sabre was found in Croatia, then part of the Habsburg Monarchy)? Also, what could the snakeskin handle mean? The other similar sabres I found online didn't have grips like that, could this mean it wasn't a standard issue?
If I wanted to get this refurbished by a smith, what king of prices I could expect (Europe)?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Aug 19, 2020 15:45:29 GMT
Thank you for the reply! Unfortunately I don't have access to that book so I can't check myself. Does it maybe mention what CC could stand for (the sabre was found in Croatia, then part of the Habsburg Monarchy)? Also, what could the snakeskin handle mean? The other similar sabres I found online didn't have grips like that, could this mean it wasn't a standard issue? If I wanted to get this refurbished by a smith, what king of prices I could expect (Europe)? The CC is an inspection mark. I've seen the CC before, but can't find a reference. The sharkskin on an enlisted saber suggests a Non-commission officer (sergeant) saber. www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/ You might consider joining this German sword forum. They might be able to help you better than I. I'm not sure how to price this saber. 1845-50 sabers can run 1200-1500. The 1858s are much less. The style you have is rare for an 1858. Refurbish work can be expensive, because it is time consuming. Prices vary country to country.
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Post by pellius on Aug 19, 2020 17:36:41 GMT
(Lurking - thank you for the info!)
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Post by hrvatistan on Aug 21, 2020 10:22:16 GMT
Much appreciated! I will write here if I find out any new information.
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Post by hrvatistan on Feb 15, 2021 8:54:39 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Feb 15, 2021 13:49:04 GMT
Hello. Very nice sabre. Looking at your pictures I think you may have an M1869 blade mounted with an M1858 basket with a later model scabbard as it has only one ringmount. Cannot clearly see the inscriptions on the ricasso. See my posts : M1858 :: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/59043/austrian-m1858-cavalry-sabre and M1869 :: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/59224/austrian-m1869-uhlan-officers-sabreOlder baskets/hilts were often mounted on new blades and vice versa. This makes the Austrian field sometimes difficult to explore. Since the blade looks quite short you may have an Ulahn sabre. The typical M1858 has a much longer and slimmer blade. (See the posts) The ,,gild'' strip on the scabbard is the seam where the scabbard was brazed shut with brass. A good site for many Austrian sabre questions is :: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/index.php?s=f29d9b2ab2989ff6dc549e93a5404b18Look down this page to go directly to Austria. Also the interpretation of the regimental markings is their forte. Also maybe have a look at their gallery :: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/galerie/index.htmlClicking on the images directs you to the item post. If you join this forum you can ask all you want and get expert advise and answers. If you do not speak German, just run the url through Google Translate. Another good database is Oldswords :: oldswords.com/ but this you'll have to pay for. The fee was $10 I believe. Another way is to run the model ( Austrian M1858 cavalry sabre, for instance) you are looking for through Google Images and see what articles come up. The easy way to unlock much info spread all over the place. In this business often there are no clear cut answers and you have to go on fishing expeditions yourself. This is the best way to learn I guess, but can be intimidating for the novice. We have all been there and in many ways are still there. Austrian stuff is good for a lifetime of study and in general we all learn new stuff every day. ,,Experts'' my $emprini.... Hope this helps you on your way a bit. Cheers.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 15, 2021 14:22:02 GMT
Nice saber! And the restoration looks great!
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Post by pgandy on Feb 15, 2021 15:22:21 GMT
Nice looking sabre and restoration. Glad that you had it professionally done as too many inexperienced people try their hand at it destroying much of the antique’s value, historical as well as monitory.
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