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Post by ThomasW on Aug 5, 2020 17:21:47 GMT
Horrible, can't imagine seeing or going through that first hand. R.I.P. to those unfortunate enough to be too close to that. Can't imagine the number of wounded after that. That shockwave looked brutal. I hope they get help from other countries.
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Post by howler on Aug 5, 2020 19:29:24 GMT
Tons of high explosive were left and evidently forgotten at the port for over six years.
Edit: Oh, and storing fireworks nearby, what could go wrong. Heads should roll for such criminal negligence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 21:03:21 GMT
Tons of high explosive were left and evidently forgotten at the port for over six years.
Edit: Oh, and storing fireworks nearby, what could go wrong. Heads should roll for such criminal negligence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Clueless?
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Post by Lord Newport on Aug 5, 2020 21:16:59 GMT
Tons of high explosive were left and evidently forgotten at the port for over six years.
Edit: Oh, and storing fireworks nearby, what could go wrong. Heads should roll for such criminal negligence.
^^^^Why the third world is the third world...no one is accountable so its a free for all and tragic things like this happen.
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Post by howler on Aug 5, 2020 21:24:55 GMT
Tons of high explosive were left and evidently forgotten at the port for over six years.
Edit: Oh, and storing fireworks nearby, what could go wrong. Heads should roll for such criminal negligence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Clueless? There are no clues? I'm not claiming conclusive proof here. So I guess nothing should be speculated at all, but then that removes speculation from all. As reported by AP on speculation and suggestion by experts. Admit nobody really knows exact story at this point (who can), but why label clueless? The broad brushstrokes (storage incompetence) are highly probable, but it could still be something else like terrorism...or ET attack, though that is kinda the interest in speculating on a blade forum.
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Post by howler on Aug 5, 2020 21:38:47 GMT
Tons of high explosive were left and evidently forgotten at the port for over six years.
Edit: Oh, and storing fireworks nearby, what could go wrong. Heads should roll for such criminal negligence.
^^^^Why the third world is the third world...no one is accountable so its a free for all and tragic things like this happen. How dare you speculate...lest ye absorb the clueless label.
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Post by howler on Aug 5, 2020 21:51:34 GMT
I guess nothing should be speculated at all, but then that removes speculation from all. As reported by AP on speculation and suggestion by experts. Admit nobody really knows exact story at this point (who can), but why label clueless? The broad brushstrokes (storage incompetence) are highly probable, but it could still be something else like terrorism...or ET attack, though that is kinda the interest in speculating on a blade forum. I can assure you that ET had nothing to do with this. It was an accident...he "phoned home" thus triggering the explosion with the current from that offending finger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 21:58:30 GMT
I guess nothing should be speculated at all, but then that removes speculation from all. As reported by AP on speculation and suggestion by experts. Admit nobody really knows exact story at this point (who can), but why label clueless? The broad brushstrokes (storage incompetence) are highly probable, but it could still be something else like terrorism...or ET attack, though that is kinda the interest in speculating on a blade forum. Your Readers Digest condensed take on an AP article that has been outdated for almost 24hrs is not really a basis to speak from. The ammonium nitrate had hardly been forgotten about and a little more study on your part would have underlined the facts and likely avoided my calling you out. You could relate it as just your opinion but it would still underline that you really have not read much about the situation. There are times when simply linking information without posting editorial comments would serve you (and others, even myself) greatly. Speculative bench racing is just the type of horse hooey that makes your thoughts rather vacant in value (while time consuming) . Cheers GC
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 5, 2020 21:58:40 GMT
I guess nothing should be speculated at all, but then that removes speculation from all. As reported by AP on speculation and suggestion by experts. Admit nobody really knows exact story at this point (who can), but why label clueless? The broad brushstrokes (storage incompetence) are highly probable, but it could still be something else like terrorism...or ET attack, though that is kinda the interest in speculating on a blade forum. I can assure you that ET had nothing to do with this. Neither did T.E.
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Post by Lord Newport on Aug 5, 2020 22:22:11 GMT
. As I said .. typical third world irresponsibility and incompetence probably fueled by corruption .... Prime Minister Hassan Diab said that 2,750 metric tons of ammonium nitrate -- typically used as an agricultural fertilizer -- had been stored for six years at a warehouse in the Beirut port without safety measures, "endangering the safety of citizens," according to a statement. The Prime Minister's account was backed up by the country's general security chief Abbas Ibrahim, who said a "highly explosive material" had been confiscated years earlier and stored in the warehouse, just minutes' walk from Beirut's shopping and nightlife districts. Customs and State Security sent letters [to the authorities] asking to remove or re-export the explosive materials six years ago, and we have been waiting since then for this issue to be resolved, but to no avail," Kraytem told the local television channel OTV. The Director of Lebanese Customs, Badri Daher, told CNN that officials had written to legal authorities six times requesting for that cargo be removed from the port, but the requests went unheeded. www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/middleeast/beirut-port-explosion-ammonium-nitrate-intl-hnk/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:39:56 GMT
Once again, politics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:59:03 GMT
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Post by RufusScorpius on Aug 5, 2020 23:14:39 GMT
That's as may be, but it would appear that politics and criminal incompetence caused the disaster.
It's never just one thing that causes something like this, rather a combination of events that cumulatively lead to the accident.
1/4 of the city is homeless, thousands wounded, and their only port destroyed. I think discussion of every aspect of the event is open for debate.
I know somebody who is living in an apartment with busted windows and lost her workplace because of this. So yes, I'm on the side of asking the hard questions, as are the people of Lebanon.
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Post by howler on Aug 6, 2020 0:04:02 GMT
)I guess nothing should be speculated at all, but then that removes speculation from all. As reported by AP on speculation and suggestion by experts. Admit nobody really knows exact story at this point (who can), but why label clueless? The broad brushstrokes (storage incompetence) are highly probable, but it could still be something else like terrorism...or ET attack, though that is kinda the interest in speculating on a blade forum. Your Readers Digest condensed take on an AP article that has been outdated for almost 24hrs is not really a basis to speak from. The ammonium nitrate had hardly been forgotten about and a little more study on your part would have underlined the facts and likely avoided my calling you out. You could relate it as just your opinion but it would still underline that you really have not read much about the situation. There are times when simply linking information without posting editorial comments would serve you (and others, even myself) greatly. Speculative bench racing is just the type of horse hooey that makes your thoughts rather vacant in value (while time consuming) . Cheers GC Why not simply point out most recent statements on the ground from the event as given (fireworks...no fireworks...whatever) which still may or may not be the facts instead of labeling as clueless. Why the instinct to "call me out" when it really is a nothing burger unless you just want to be smug? No Peabody or Edward R. Murrow awards on the line so Readers Digest seems adequate. My post was neither more nor less as clueless as anyone else's and I never stated or implied empiric proof, technical superiority, enhanced knowledge of the event, but pointing out and disagreeing with your use of clueless, particularly when everyone is speculating on what have been and can be called clues. If fireworks were not involved than just say so, or whatever. I get your desire for precision (maybe greater than the average bear ) but you kind take the fun out of speculating events and posting comments in a casual atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 0:05:24 GMT
Imo, it is one thing to post news but not within the guidelines to discuss, or editorialize the politics of a situation. or occurrence.
As tragic and empathetic one might feel affected, this board is not (imo) geared for the political discussions. Linking to the news, not a problem unless it does lead to debate and then hotly so.
So, have at it then and see a thread lock and other possibilities.
Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 0:14:09 GMT
Your Readers Digest condensed take on an AP article that has been outdated for almost 24hrs is not really a basis to speak from. The ammonium nitrate had hardly been forgotten about and a little more study on your part would have underlined the facts and likely avoided my calling you out. You could relate it as just your opinion but it would still underline that you really have not read much about the situation. There are times when simply linking information without posting editorial comments would serve you (and others, even myself) greatly. Speculative bench racing is just the type of horse hooey that makes your thoughts rather vacant in value (while time consuming) . Cheers GC Why not simply point out most recent statements on the ground from the event as given (fireworks...no fireworks...whatever) which still may or may not be the facts instead of labeling as clueless. Why the instinct to "call me out" when it really is a nothing burger unless you just want to be smug? No Peabody or Edward R. Murrow awards on the line so Readers Digest seems adequate. My post was neither more nor less as clueless as anyone else's and I never stated or implied empiric proof, technical superiority, enhanced knowledge of the event, but pointing out and disagreeing with your use of clueless, particularly when everyone is speculating on what have been and can be called clues. If fireworks were not involved than just say so, or whatever. I get your desire for precision (maybe greater than the average bear ) but you kind take the fun out of speculating events and posting comments in a casual atmosphere. What I tend to offer is the latest and without much speculation. You? Are tragic circumstances subjects to take fun in speculating? Go ahead and start a casual comedic meme thread about the explosion. Oh, right. You don't upload photos. Carry on Cheers GC
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Post by howler on Aug 6, 2020 0:35:07 GMT
Why not simply point out most recent statements on the ground from the event as given (fireworks...no fireworks...whatever) which still may or may not be the facts instead of labeling as clueless. Why the instinct to "call me out" when it really is a nothing burger unless you just want to be smug? No Peabody or Edward R. Murrow awards on the line so Readers Digest seems adequate. My post was neither more nor less as clueless as anyone else's and I never stated or implied empiric proof, technical superiority, enhanced knowledge of the event, but pointing out and disagreeing with your use of clueless, particularly when everyone is speculating on what have been and can be called clues. If fireworks were not involved than just say so, or whatever. I get your desire for precision (maybe greater than the average bear ) but you kind take the fun out of speculating events and posting comments in a casual atmosphere. What I tend to offer is the latest and without much speculation. You? Are tragic circumstances subjects to take fun in speculating? Go ahead and start a casual comedic meme thread about the explosion. Oh, right. You don't upload photos. Carry on Cheers GC The latest, regarding answering my post, would simply be saying "latest info is that fireworks were not involved. I use "fun speculating" in a clearly very general sense and you're well intelligent enough to know this, unless you truly believe I'm intentionally mocking the dead, which highlights my only disagreement with you in labeling me clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 0:47:30 GMT
I offered all a live feed of the most recent articles, gathered rather locally. You seem to be hung up on the fireworks, when I referred to your not knowing the ammonium nitrate had certainly not been forgotten (which you had posted that the storage had been forgotten). Those are posts you quoted, I assume you may have read them.
To me howler, your words pretty much speak for themselves.
"The latest would simply be saying "latest info is that fireworks were not involved." Again, you seem hung up on your fireworks mention instead of your knowledge regarding the storage.
"I use "fun speculating" in a clearly very general sense and you're well intelligent enough to know this, unless you truly believe I'm intentionally mocking the dead, which highlights my only disagreement with you in labeling me clueless."
I tend to take your thoughts at face value.
Cheers GC
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Post by MOK on Aug 6, 2020 1:17:18 GMT
Once again, lay off the political commentary. Especially the sort of commentary that you always report as offensive when it's about your own country.
And just drop the speculation, too. Many people are dead. Many more are injured, homeless and/or have lost their livelihoods. There neither is nor should be anything fun about this.
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Post by howler on Aug 6, 2020 1:46:04 GMT
I offered all a live feed of the most recent articles, gathered rather locally. You seem to be hung up on the fireworks, when I referred to your not knowing the ammonium nitrate had certainly not been forgotten (which you had posted that the storage had been forgotten). Those are posts you quoted, I assume you may have read them. To me howler, your words pretty much speak for themselves. "The latest would simply be saying "latest info is that fireworks were not involved." Again, you seem hung up on your fireworks mention instead of your knowledge regarding the storage. "I use "fun speculating" in a clearly very general sense and you're well intelligent enough to know this, unless you truly believe I'm intentionally mocking the dead, which highlights my only disagreement with you in labeling me clueless." I tend to take your thoughts at face value. Cheers GC I grant my mistake was going off of an older AP, but really, the main thing was that you have near 300 freaking tons of explosive stored at such a place for six years without proper safety measures. My issue was in nature of dialogue with (to me) condescending "clueless" statement rather than simply stating that explosives were not forgotten and fireworks not stored in location (or old AP story or whatever). I'm not gonna die or ask you to stand in the field of battle with one of your spadroons in hand, but feel why the need to be needlessly (my opinion anyway) negative. You get context and the general use of "fun" and "speculating" and know my meaning. And if you don't then that may well be the issue.
Edit: Near 3000 tons.
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