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Post by mattmatt on Aug 4, 2020 15:34:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 16:14:43 GMT
The pillow/cushion pommel swords are typically post revolution and common to 1800 or so. The G on the blade is associated with Osborn but still not definitively so. We do know many marked to Osborn have the G or GG marks on the blades. The simple counterguards do last past 1800 and a recent eagle pommel acquisition shows such. another sibling eagle with the simple counterguard. Not remarkably, both are an eagle pommel type attributed to Osborn Many of the 1780s and earlier spadroons are of the urn type, and then the hussar type hilts of the 1780s (I'd love to have bought these) Here is my old spadroon clipboard I have uploaded to G drive drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9AOFMA8y3ODfkNBQkVwbWtNam9WbVI3VnBtYUFWdlFIOGpFaWJfd2pOdk41Q09jOXdyODQ?usp=sharingI have many spadroons, ranging from the 1780s into the 1840s, many of those are eagle pommels and a couple of them five-ball. The earliest five-balled hilts do go back to around the 1780s. Cheers GC
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Post by mattmatt on Aug 4, 2020 16:23:33 GMT
The pillow/cushion pommel swords are typically post revolution and common to 1800 or so. The G on the blade is associated with Osborn but still not definitively so. We do know many marked to Osborn have the G or GG marks on the blades. The simple counterguards do last past 1800 and a recent eagle pommel acquisition shows such. another sibling eagle with the simple counterguard. Not remarkably, both are an eagle pommel type attributed to Osborn Many of the 1780s and earlier spadroons are of the urn type, and then the hussar type hilts of the 1780s (I'd love to have bought these) Here is my old spadroon clipboard I have uploaded to G drive drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9AOFMA8y3ODfkNBQkVwbWtNam9WbVI3VnBtYUFWdlFIOGpFaWJfd2pOdk41Q09jOXdyODQ?usp=sharingI have many spadroons, ranging from the 1780s into the 1840s, many of those are eagle pommels and a couple of them five-ball. The earliest five-balled hilts do go back to around the 1780s. Cheers GC So what do you think is it all original? Would one safely say that it is post revolution in to war of 1812? Was it between war periods do you think it is current condition it has any value? Or is it just a wall hanger in a conversation to have
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 16:43:07 GMT
Definitively original/period and of the era I outlined. I would tend to put it in that decade (1790-1800) +-.
Value is subjective and past sales the best judge. While I would put it in the relic category, it could be stabilized a bit and de-rusted some. It looks like a candidate for a product known as Evapo-Rust. I had recently bought a bag of powder that makes a similar solution but I've not tried it yet. Superglue would stake down the grip and hilt, so as to stop rattling.
I would be a harsh critic in actually pricing it. A dealer would probably be asking a couple of hundred and more if scraped some. I'd pass it by entirely but that is just me.
Cheers GC
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Post by mattmatt on Aug 4, 2020 18:19:54 GMT
Definitively original/period and of the era I outlined. I would tend to put it in that decade (1790-1800) +-. Value is subjective and past sales the best judge. While I would put it in the relic category, it could be stabilized a bit and de-rusted some. It looks like a candidate for a product known as Evapo-Rust. I had recently bought a bag of powder that makes a similar solution but I've not tried it yet. Superglue would stake down the grip and hilt, so as to stop rattling. I would be a harsh critic in actually pricing it. A dealer would probably be asking a couple of hundred and more if scraped some. I'd pass it by entirely but that is just me. Cheers GC Fair enough, I’m into it for $200. I’ll get the steel wool out and go to town. You think filling the handle with epoxy or such to stop everything from moving is ok? This he’s just going to be a display piece for me more about the historical significance I believed it was picked up in Newton Mass. in a state sale from historical house I am trying to nail down that backstory and find some sense of Provenance. So I’m looking basically just to clean it up and leave it in its current state. The revolutionary war ended in 1783, do you think this sort had a chance of being used if not where else would such a weapon come into play? Sorry for the million questions but looking on the site you seem to be the most educated about spadroons. Any other information you can give me or links to follow up I am not afraid to learn something new and always have my stuff on display with a story to tell
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Post by mattmatt on Aug 4, 2020 18:20:39 GMT
Definitively original/period and of the era I outlined. I would tend to put it in that decade (1790-1800) +-. Value is subjective and past sales the best judge. While I would put it in the relic category, it could be stabilized a bit and de-rusted some. It looks like a candidate for a product known as Evapo-Rust. I had recently bought a bag of powder that makes a similar solution but I've not tried it yet. Superglue would stake down the grip and hilt, so as to stop rattling. I would be a harsh critic in actually pricing it. A dealer would probably be asking a couple of hundred and more if scraped some. I'd pass it by entirely but that is just me. Cheers GC Fair enough, I’m into it for $200. I’ll get the steel wool out and go to town. You think filling the handle with epoxy or such to stop everything from moving is ok? This he’s just going to be a display piece for me more about the historical significance I believed it was picked up in Newton Mass. in a state sale from historical house I am trying to nail down that backstory and find some sense of Provenance. So I’m looking basically just to clean it up and leave it in its current state. The revolutionary war ended in 1783, do you think this sort had a chance of being used if not where else would such a weapon come into play? Sorry for the million questions but looking on the site you seem to be the most educated about spadroons. Any other information you can give me or links to follow up I am not afraid to learn something new and always have my stuff on display with a story to tell . On a sidenote I just reread your original quote and 1790 is definitely after 1783
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Post by mattmatt on Aug 4, 2020 22:23:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 23:08:07 GMT
Thanks for the additional shots.
What we still lack are simple profile shots of the whole sword, flat on a surface. Uncluttered backgrounds on a plain surface are the best shots for this.
You mention the tip is missing or damaged. There is another shot. Please describe blade length and overall length if wanting to share the whole story.
I would not fill the missing grip section but regard the sword as a decorative relic. A couple of drops of super glue will affix the loose parts.
While an entire restoration could be undertaken, the time and/or money would offset the effort and expense. There are great swords out there at good prices. Even those needing a lot less tlc.
Cheers GC
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 5, 2020 1:19:35 GMT
Would love to give you more than 200 for this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 3:39:10 GMT
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Post by mattmatt on Aug 5, 2020 19:33:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 21:12:57 GMT
Cool, thanks a bunch. It looks like it lost as much as two inches off the point.
Displayed good side out is terrific!
Cheers GC
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