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Post by howler on Jul 21, 2020 23:53:17 GMT
How fast acting is the Wolf's Bane? Meaning, if it is a non time sensitive attack on the creature you can simply whack the thing with the improvised hypo and run like hell. Think Komono Dragon and the delayed effect of the bacteria laden saliva on prey after prey gets bitten.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 22, 2020 0:39:09 GMT
Will you have enough time to estimate the weight of the dragon and prepare and load the correct dose of wolfsbane before you get eaten or roasted?
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Post by howler on Jul 22, 2020 0:44:23 GMT
Will you have enough time to estimate the weight of the dragon and prepare and load the correct dose of wolfsbane before you get eaten or roasted? I'm sure the key word (particularly after looking at pic of beast) is OVERDOSE. I'd augment the spear to have MULTIPLE hypos (maybe three) but don't know if that would lessen the penetration level.
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Post by howler on Jul 22, 2020 1:17:28 GMT
Will you have enough time to estimate the weight of the dragon and prepare and load the correct dose of wolfsbane before you get eaten or roasted? I was thinking if you knew you were up against a larger creature, you would simply make a larger tube. These of course would be prepared before hand. I would imagine with experience you might learn more or less the amount of slurry to place inside. This R&D can take place on captured monster specimens or animals, large domesticated cattle,etc.. Even if the poison is too low to outright kill the very large target it can still cause a host of other terrible reactions like the following: " will have cardiovascular (slows and stops the heart), neurological (pain, convulsions, paralysis), gastrointestinal symptoms (nausea and vomiting) and there are often other signs (for example, confusion and mania can occur if the alkaloids reach the brain). Multiple organ failure is likely." Symptoms sound eerily similar to those when listening to Justin Bieber tunes, so simple solution if monster has ears. I wonder if there was a more potent poison available (depending on historic time frame) which would shrink the weapon size due to need for less deadly substance. In any case you just use more Wolf's Bane with more/larger syringes and/or people wielding them.
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Post by howler on Jul 22, 2020 1:29:11 GMT
Symptoms sound eerily similar to those when listening to Justin Bieber tunes, so simple solution if monster has ears. I wonder if there was a more potent poison available (depending on historic time frame) which would shrink the weapon size due to need for less deadly substance. In any case you just use more Wolf's Bane with more/larger syringes and/or people wielding them. " One-fiftieth grain of Aconitine will kill a sparrow in a few seconds; one-tenth grain a rabbit in five minutes. It is more powerful than prussic acid(aka: Cyanide) and acts with tremendous rapidity. One hundredth grain will act locally, so as to produce a well-marked sensation in any part of the body for a whole day. So acrid is the poison, that the juice applied to a wounded finger affects the whole system, not only causing pains in the limbs, but a sense of suffocation and syncope." - botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/aconi007.htmlWell, that takes care of Bieber but what do we do about the beast. Seriously, that sounds like a sufficiently wicked poison, so just go on an abundance of overkill and hit the thing with multiple large hypos while attempting to steer clear.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2020 3:07:50 GMT
<Example target.
Given that the thing pictured above obviously isn't from Earth, why don't we just (while in full Galactic Patrol armor) semprini-slap it with a space axe, then blast it with a De Lameter?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2020 3:16:30 GMT
Down with the Eddorians!
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2020 3:38:57 GMT
Darn right, by Klono!! I noticed we had a new member calling himself Zwilnik BTW. Wondered if we have another Doc Smith fan around here now?
Sorry for hijacking, Bro. Nat.. Back to poisoning dragons.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 22, 2020 11:31:04 GMT
Will you have enough time to estimate the weight of the dragon and prepare and load the correct dose of wolfsbane before you get eaten or roasted? I would imagine with experience you might learn more or less the amount of slurry to place inside. This R&D can take place on captured monster specimens or animals, large domesticated cattle,etc.. Even if the poison is too low to outright kill the very large target it can still cause a host of other terrible reactions like the following: " will have cardiovascular (slows and stops the heart), neurological (pain, convulsions, paralysis), gastrointestinal symptoms (nausea and vomiting) and there are often other signs (for example, confusion and mania can occur if the alkaloids reach the brain). Multiple organ failure is likely." Experience often comes from looking at the pile of bodies of the people that found the wrong ways of doing things. If we have to make this weapon work, then I propose you use a different poison- one that comes from the sea, not the land. Using a land based poison on a land animal is slow acting because they have a natural immunity (to a certain extent) because they are made of the same substances. However, I propose you use a sea based poison which is alien to the physiology of the monster and therefore will have a near immediate effect. I suggest extracting Anatoxin-A from common blue-green algae, or use a brevetoxin leeched from shellfish, or even a simple Fugu fish extract if you can get it. Normally I would suggest a dendrotoxin as a good all around workaday fast death factor poison, but I doubt it's effectiveness on a dragon since they are also a kind of snake and would have some immunity. Another approach is to poison the beast's water supply with heavy metals, or feed it a sheep contaminated with botulism to make it sick. Then, when it's weak, you can kill it with less risk to yourself. I do want to say that I am opposed to the use of poisons as a matter of ethics. No animal, even a dragon, should suffer a prolonged death. A true hero gives a clean kill in a fair fight.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 22, 2020 13:24:54 GMT
Rufus, you know entirely too much about poisons. Remind me to never piss you off.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2020 14:42:24 GMT
Can Komodo Dragons get Rabies?
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Post by seth on Jul 22, 2020 15:08:27 GMT
Can Komodo Dragons get Rabies? Don't think so--it's unique to mammals although rodents seem nearly immune. We had some bats get in our cabin while we were sleeping so I went down the internet rabbit hole of rabies--scary stuff--I had the bats tested at animal control, and they were negative so we avoided the shots thank goodness.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2020 15:52:43 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2020 15:58:20 GMT
That was my idea why to use them. The rabies should make them attack the bigger dragon. So I have to find out how to attach a Komodo Dragon to a huge crossbow bolt.
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Post by neuronic on Jul 22, 2020 17:35:14 GMT
Anti Dragon? This.
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2020 18:56:38 GMT
That was my idea why to use them. The rabies should make them attack the bigger dragon. So I have to find out how to attach a Komodo Dragon to a huge crossbow bolt. Anti Dragon? This. Nah, if it's a flying, fire breathing dragon like Smaug, use this:
"First one that lights up gets smoked."
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Post by RufusScorpius on Jul 22, 2020 19:03:22 GMT
My stygian armor reflects too, a bitter acrid kiss.
For it also mirrors everything but from the eyes of the Abyss. I am the abyss. Look upon me and despair.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
By Noshabkeming, I love the smell of neutrons in the morning!
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Post by treeslicer on Jul 22, 2020 19:12:23 GMT
I love the smell of neutrons in the morning! No, that's what these are for. Just pitch one into his den from a respectful distance.............
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jul 22, 2020 19:17:41 GMT
Better than a Komodo Dragon fettered to a huge crossbow bolt. For both dragons...
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