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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 14, 2020 13:11:20 GMT
As with all my reviews, it's a mishmash of thoughts, hopes, dreams and outright lies. So I'm not a Windlass employee or supported by them, heck, they're too smart, they'd MAYBE trust me with a broom in the parking lot. So this was with my own money. I found this lurking in the warehouse finds section. It appears to be a regular item now. This seems to be a typical cavalry lance head, though up to today, I'd only seen pics. The text and pics: (Copied from Museum Replicas) www.museumreplicas.com/lance-headLance Head #601110 $29.95 ________________________________________ This triangular Lance Head is hand forged from high carbon steel and is capable of retaining a razor sharp edge. Pole not included. Made by Windlass Steelcrafts. WAREHOUSE FIND! The Lance was a formidable weapon when used from horseback. Historically used by German, French, British and Indian cavalry troops and could punch through armor and transfix adversaries with ease. Our spearhead features a hollow ground, spring tempered triangular blade. Puncturing hard targets with the slightest effort and inflicting a devastating entry wound, it was fast, lively in hand, and incredibly effective. Hand-forged of tough, high carbon steel by the master armorers at Windlass Steelcrafts, it can be mounted on a wooden dowel from your local hardware or home supply store. LIMITED QUANTITIES! • Weighs 1 lb. • 16" long overall • Spearhead is 5 3/4" long • Socket is 1" wide (and about 7" internally) • Edges are not sharpened • Does Not Include Pole I've got a few pics to add, stay tuned for edits. Interesting thing, the point is not ground straight, but I really can't imagine why that would affect something like this. The goal is to put it on a stick and kill a few bottles while I figure out the next step, but this is a keeper. MOLES BEWARE!!!!! Edit: my pics of uneven grinds.
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Post by mrbadexample on Jul 14, 2020 13:40:27 GMT
A must for clearing zombies off of your chain link perimeter fence. Neatly puncture the skull through the gaps without getting hung up.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 14, 2020 14:55:11 GMT
It's a very fine spear point, you could piston it between links of chicken wire easily....
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jul 14, 2020 20:06:47 GMT
Sir ThorfinnShouldn't this be in the review section? Have you tested the hardness of the lance head in any way? I know that Windlass heat treats tend towards the softer side, especially when it comes to non-sword weapons. I wonder if this is the same product as the Cold Steel lance, just without the black paint and edge sharpening.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 15, 2020 11:47:45 GMT
Review...D'OH! Yes! Err, I'll move it. Wasn't thinking.
Hardness, not yet. I'm working on a mount, while I do that, I'll take a file to one portion.
As to your theory, absolutely this could be a Cold Steel knock off. The edges aren't sharp out of the box, but it has a decent point. The edges are about butter knife sharp, so with significant force they'd do a little cutting/lacerating. Looks easy to sharpen though.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 15, 2020 11:50:48 GMT
OMG, NOOB! Moved it and lost the comments, sorry.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Jul 15, 2020 13:26:36 GMT
OMG, NOOB! Moved it and lost the comments, sorry. Hate when it does that. I always copy/paste before posting or touching anything now.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 15, 2020 14:42:12 GMT
Well, I erased it all after the basic post by moving it. Stoopid MOD powers...plus I may have used that function 3x total...who'd know?
HAHA! Fixed! Merged even!
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Post by tancred on Jul 15, 2020 16:54:51 GMT
Looked through another old Windlass catalog last night. This same lance head (or one extremely similar) is in there from one at least 15--18 years ago (officially licensed LOTR items from right after the movies are in there, too). Its priced at $40. They have a longer, more elaborate Eastern Style lance head for $45.
So, imo, I don't think this warehouse find is necessarily a Cold Steel knockoff; Windlass has offered them in the past. Might be the other way around, and Cold Steel is making one based off the older Windlass models. Of course, I think the idea that Cold Steel uses some of the same smiths at Windlass is out there, too. The companies seem to have some sort of friendly relationship.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 16, 2020 14:22:10 GMT
Heck, even if it were, there's not going to be much variation. Update: Mounted to a crappy 1" dowel. pressure fit and a screw. 1 coat of RenWax to inhibit finger prints. Current total length, 5' 8". Now to fill bottles... For the record, a 1" shaft is too skinny...
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Jul 16, 2020 15:22:18 GMT
Heck, even if it were, there's not going to be much variation. Update: Mounted to a crappy 1" dowel. pressure fit and a screw. 1 coat of RenWax to inhibit finger prints. Current total length, 5' 8". Now to fill bottles... For the record, a 1" shaft is too skinny... Yes, I used a 1 1/4'' oak broomstick for my own and had to glue hemp rope at both spearhead and butt cap sockets as they stuck a nasty 1/16'' lip over the shaft. Looks nice too. You likely have read my review.
Looks like Windlass have standard socket inside size of 1 1/4'', so a 1 3/8 shaft would be a perfect fit with a bit of whittling, or use 1 1/4'' and live with the lip.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 16, 2020 19:13:00 GMT
Looked through another old Windlass catalog last night. This same lance head (or one extremely similar) is in there from one at least 15--18 years ago (officially licensed LOTR items from right after the movies are in there, too). Its priced at $40. They have a longer, more elaborate Eastern Style lance head for $45. So, imo, I don't think this warehouse find is necessarily a Cold Steel knockoff; Windlass has offered them in the past. Might be the other way around, and Cold Steel is making one based off the older Windlass models. Of course, I think the idea that Cold Steel uses some of the same smiths at Windlass is out there, too. The companies seem to have some sort of friendly relationship. Tancred, Windlass absolutely does make some of Cold Steel blades. I had that confirmed by one of the Windlass brothers in the MRL store last year. Damn, last year. Time flies when your having lockdown fun. 😩
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Jul 17, 2020 12:18:13 GMT
Played with a file...its pretty soft. As i don't have a set of the files that let you estimate hardness, this is a best guess. But I'd say this is about RC50. So not super soft, or hard.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 20, 2020 13:15:54 GMT
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Post by howler on Jul 20, 2020 19:31:10 GMT
The last line in that article from the doctor: "Anyhow they squealed enough when they got it". Cold Steel makes a similar MAA version that includes shaft and can be had for a little over $30ish.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 21, 2020 0:26:02 GMT
The last line in that article from the doctor: "Anyhow they squealed enough when they got it". Cold Steel makes a similar MAA version that includes shaft and can be had for a little over $30ish. Wanna bet there is a windlass stamp on the lance head? ;)
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Post by howler on Jul 21, 2020 0:34:22 GMT
The last line in that article from the doctor: "Anyhow they squealed enough when they got it". Cold Steel makes a similar MAA version that includes shaft and can be had for a little over $30ish. Wanna bet there is a windlass stamp on the lance head? I'd probably be out some money for sure. The MAA version does look nice with the protective gluing.
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Post by howler on Jul 21, 2020 5:14:00 GMT
I have the MAA version and I don't want to bring negativity to the review or anything but I think you guys would appreciate the honesty... I used it for dispatching a pest and it was a very disappointing experience and I felt pretty bad about the result. I was not at all happy with how quickly the desired effect was achieved. A much, much difference experience from when I have used the CS Boar spear. I understand we are taking apples and oranges but still. Moles are probably small enough that it wouldn't matter though. I wonder if it was a matter of being so small as to be difficult in making a direct stab (all glancing blows with no cutting edge to press in), if that makes sense.
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Post by howler on Jul 21, 2020 6:26:43 GMT
I wonder if it was a matter of being so small as to be difficult in making a direct stab (all glancing blows with no cutting edge to press in), if that makes sense. This was a pretty direct vital strike in this case. I think simply the diameter of the cross section is too small to produce a quick enough hemorrhaging or "shock" if you will. Seeing as how these lances were mainly used on horseback,using hit and run tactics or charges,etc. I am sure it had it's benefits in that scenario or they wouldn't use them. But.....I would much, much rather take a stab from this then the boar spear lol. Without being too gruesome, I suppose we should not forget that a human has a different anatomy. They are also, on average, less tough with less "Grit" then most critters. Anyway, this was just one experience that I had with it so your experience may vary. Boar spear vs mole...cut in half from head to tail. Little things can survive pretty nasty chops and body smashes for awhile, but that boar spear is just ridiculous overkill unless you barely graze the thing. A devastating smash to the head is probably the quickest and most humane.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 21, 2020 17:15:06 GMT
Thanks for sharing your experience Brother. I wondered about the lethality of that point. I suspect that it pushed the vessels and tendons aside rather than cut them, similar to a round nose bullet compared to a semi wad cutter. A traditional spear head with its two edges should cut a path. I’m afraid that my only spear experience was a failure but a lesson. The critter was on my outer parameter wall and the spear I used had a tassel, I copied my second spear a Chinese. On the first thrust the tassel tangled with my razor wire locking the spear fast. I no longer have a tassel on that spear.
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