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Post by pgandy on Jul 9, 2020 23:10:18 GMT
To be honest for what it is worth, don't invest heavily at this point to build an inventory on my account, not that I don't wish you success in your endeavor.
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Post by howler on Jul 10, 2020 0:16:38 GMT
Well, it's a play on the word battle substituting for bottle that may play for those into cutting play with their blades (meaning low market)...in other words don't quit your day job. If you are serious then pay someone gifted with design training to do it for you, as it probably wouldn't cost much because the person would want to get their name out there in a tough market.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 10, 2020 3:33:26 GMT
Put short: if you want to sell T-shirts bearing your cartoons, you'll have to think about what other people will want to pay money for, rather than what you're used to. PS. This isn't about technical skill, even. It's about thought and effort. Let me put it this way: was there some particular reason why you placed a curved sword with a backwards crossguard horizontally across the top of the image? Was there some particular reason why you placed the text below it, in a relatively small size, in the default Sans typeface, centered, in two rows cut between "field" and "of" specifically, with only the first T capitalized? Was there some particular reason why you placed the cut bottle below the text, centered, in relatively small size? Was there some particular reason why there are four other, bigger bottles in a row at the bottom, again centered, again in relatively (and similarly!) small size? Is there some particular reason why everything is so evenly spaced and centered, with equal amounts of black space in between and on either side? Or why it's all white on black, with a single blue highlight? ...or have I already put more thought into this than you did? probably. I initially imagined an awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about, a tale to the epic action that had happened thus far. I ended up with the four bottles you saw, as an effort to see if I could draw a bottle that looked like one. (in no way do I consider myself a graphical artist of any kind, so when I draw something, I stop at "pretty sure it IS one"). Then, I attempted a cut bottle, which is what you see. Then I arranged them with the text and no sword. but then I tried to upload it to the teespring page, and the auto-format they use would always bring the words and images to the maximum size, ignoring the black background. THis was a problem because you just pick whichever color shirt you want, so I needed at least so much border/background before it looked like it would be ok on different colors of shirt (it would be a perfect square printing, and all of the area within the image would be printing, and it would apply to everything from pillows to handbags),,, so my first idea was to put the sword across the top, wide enough to ensure border around the rest of the image... WEll, it looked crap, the image just squished right to the edge of the sword,,, but by then I was attached to the sword, because it looks super cool. I mean I have to say that sword looks awesome. Dang!! I wish I had one. so then I remembered the trick where you can make the image stand out by putting a border around it, to "give it place", so I put the white border around it. This would also help it contrast against the variety of colors and such. at that point, I started to be really attached to the end result. I recentered a little bit, but had decided it was one of my works of art through life, and ever after. It defines me, if you will. I will show you some of my other artworks that make me also super happy. I think if you had some context you would understand why I like it so much. www.slideshare.net/troyschmidt31/the-black-hole-sword-is-an-elegant-weaponwww.slideshare.net/troyschmidt31/castle-engine-fire
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Post by howler on Jul 10, 2020 4:03:04 GMT
Put short: if you want to sell T-shirts bearing your cartoons, you'll have to think about what other people will want to pay money for, rather than what you're used to. PS. This isn't about technical skill, even. It's about thought and effort. Let me put it this way: was there some particular reason why you placed a curved sword with a backwards crossguard horizontally across the top of the image? Was there some particular reason why you placed the text below it, in a relatively small size, in the default Sans typeface, centered, in two rows cut between "field" and "of" specifically, with only the first T capitalized? Was there some particular reason why you placed the cut bottle below the text, centered, in relatively small size? Was there some particular reason why there are four other, bigger bottles in a row at the bottom, again centered, again in relatively (and similarly!) small size? Is there some particular reason why everything is so evenly spaced and centered, with equal amounts of black space in between and on either side? Or why it's all white on black, with a single blue highlight? ...or have I already put more thought into this than you did? probably. I initially imagined an awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about, a tale to the epic action that had happened thus far. I ended up with the four bottles you saw, as an effort to see if I could draw a bottle that looked like one. (in no way do I consider myself a graphical artist of any kind, so when I draw something, I stop at "pretty sure it IS one"). Then, I attempted a cut bottle, which is what you see. Then I arranged them with the text and no sword. but then I tried to upload it to the teespring page, and the auto-format they use would always bring the words and images to the maximum size, ignoring the black background. THis was a problem because you just pick whichever color shirt you want, so I needed at least so much border/background before it looked like it would be ok on different colors of shirt (it would be a perfect square printing, and all of the area within the image would be printing, and it would apply to everything from pillows to handbags),,, so my first idea was to put the sword across the top, wide enough to ensure border around the rest of the image... WEll, it looked crap, the image just squished right to the edge of the sword,,, but by then I was attached to the sword, because it looks super cool. I mean I have to say that sword looks awesome. Dang!! I wish I had one. so then I remembered the trick where you can make the image stand out by putting a border around it, to "give it place", so I put the white border around it. This would also help it contrast against the variety of colors and such. at that point, I started to be really attached to the end result. I recentered a little bit, but had decided it was one of my works of art through life, and ever after. It defines me, if you will. I will show you some of my other artworks that make me also super happy. I think if you had some context you would understand why I like it so much. www.slideshare.net/troyschmidt31/the-black-hole-sword-is-an-elegant-weaponwww.slideshare.net/troyschmidt31/castle-engine-fireAll this, plus your Superman story shows you REALLY think outside the box, as you seem to relish efficiency within a fantastical framework. I wonder how small a subatomic particle from a minimally sized black hole singularity would need to be in order to be light enough for an average human to wield. Consider this: Acording to String Theory If an atom was the size of the solar system, a cosmic string (weird vibrating thing) would be the size of an average tree.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 10, 2020 5:18:46 GMT
"It defines me, if you will"
Did you mean to type this?
Let's summarize your "artistic process". You attempted A. You attempted B. You attempted C.
You put A, B, and C together. All attempts, and the sum of this differs greatly from your original, much more impressive concept which would have been much more worthwhile and taken more effort. You settled for the lowest possible interpretation of the idea and probably ended up liking it by the idea of "the girl next door" concept, ie; you liked it because you became familiar with it.
Do I have that right? That's what I gathered from reading your post.
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Post by MOK on Jul 10, 2020 6:23:42 GMT
I initially imagined an awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about, a tale to the epic action that had happened thus far. I ended up with the four bottles you saw, as an effort to see if I could draw a bottle that looked like one. (in no way do I consider myself a graphical artist of any kind, so when I draw something, I stop at "pretty sure it IS one"). You know, the entire trick to being an artist is to not stop there. I mean that in all seriousness. It has nothing to do with "talent" (which is toxic bullcrap) or "ideas" (which are worthless on their own) or even skills (which only take practice): all it takes to be an artist is putting in the work to make art. You had a good idea, there! So why only these four bottles? Why not that awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about? You managed these four just fine, and the only difference between four bottles and a field of four thousand is a bunch of work - and the work put into it is the only thing that makes an idea (or a T-shirt) worth anything.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 10, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
I initially imagined an awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about, a tale to the epic action that had happened thus far. I ended up with the four bottles you saw, as an effort to see if I could draw a bottle that looked like one. (in no way do I consider myself a graphical artist of any kind, so when I draw something, I stop at "pretty sure it IS one"). You know, the entire trick to being an artist is to not stop there. I mean that in all seriousness. It has nothing to do with "talent" (which is toxic bullcrap) or "ideas" (which are worthless on their own) or even skills (which only take practice): all it takes to be an artist is putting in the work to make art. You had a good idea, there! So why only these four bottles? Why not that awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about? You managed these four just fine, and the only difference between four bottles and a field of four thousand is a bunch of work - and the work put into it is the only thing that makes an idea (or a T-shirt) worth anything. bo. I'm seriously not going to spend that kind of time. Do you know how easy it is to make a t-semprini profile?? YOu just upload an image, and if people want it, they can order a t-shirt and they will make one and send it out to who bought it. I'm not a t-shirt salesperson. I don't want a career in t-shirt design. But the joke is the kind of joke that would be on a t-shirt, so that's what I ended up "throwing together". I'm not here to make an amazing t-shirt, I can't worry about it that much, by the end of the day something else is going to be more interesting for me to spend my time on. If the idea was going to be really popular, someone will steal the idea and make a better one, and then say it was their idea, and no matter what I do, I'm not going to draw a fancier picture, they already know it's going to make enough money to justify a professional art team so they hire one. Maybe they are already a professional artist, but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it. The truth is, it's not even stealing, it's just using. As long as you say where the idea came from there's nothing morally wrong about making a better picture. In fact, that's the basic premise of childhood artwork. If in 20 years, a bunch of people look back and say "that shirt was awesome", then it will be the case that lots of people made versions of it. My version is good enough for me bo.
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Post by howler on Jul 10, 2020 19:47:14 GMT
Seventy years from now, and after a vigorous bidding war, "The Mighty Field Of Bottle" becomes the worlds highest priced artwork to ever be sold at auction. "Pure stream of thought from a beautiful mind" said one awestruck critic, while an enchanted art historian exclaimed "the brilliant decision of not deciding was a stroke of blissfully perfect imperfection".
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 10, 2020 20:52:07 GMT
Art is subjective, right? I mean, if a urinal can be art....
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jul 10, 2020 21:07:35 GMT
Okay. I like the pun. I might buy a velcro morale patch with a variant of this joke if I saw one. But I wouldn't want it on a shirt because well, I don't wear shirts with graphics and nobody would get it if I did.
But thanks for sharing. Some of you would benefit from a glass of milk, might keep you from being so brittle.
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Post by howler on Jul 11, 2020 1:11:18 GMT
Art is subjective, right? I mean, if a urinal can be art.... Yeah, but that was a statement piece that made quite the statement at the time, context wise. Now, regarding beauty, aesthetics, skill, etc...no doubt subjective.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 11, 2020 1:43:15 GMT
People stop responding to him he just wants you to agree with him.
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Post by paulmuaddib on Jul 11, 2020 2:23:57 GMT
People stop responding to him he just wants you to agree with him. ^This^ Thanks L
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 11, 2020 3:03:03 GMT
You know, the entire trick to being an artist is to not stop there. I mean that in all seriousness. It has nothing to do with "talent" (which is toxic bullcrap) or "ideas" (which are worthless on their own) or even skills (which only take practice): all it takes to be an artist is putting in the work to make art. You had a good idea, there! So why only these four bottles? Why not that awesome mighty field of bottles strewn about? You managed these four just fine, and the only difference between four bottles and a field of four thousand is a bunch of work - and the work put into it is the only thing that makes an idea (or a T-shirt) worth anything. bo. I'm seriously not going to spend that kind of time. Do you know how easy it is to make a t-semprini profile?? YOu just upload an image, and if people want it, they can order a t-shirt and they will make one and send it out to who bought it. I'm not a t-shirt salesperson. I don't want a career in t-shirt design. But the joke is the kind of joke that would be on a t-shirt, so that's what I ended up "throwing together". I'm not here to make an amazing t-shirt, I can't worry about it that much, by the end of the day something else is going to be more interesting for me to spend my time on. If the idea was going to be really popular, someone will steal the idea and make a better one, and then say it was their idea, and no matter what I do, I'm not going to draw a fancier picture, they already know it's going to make enough money to justify a professional art team so they hire one. Maybe they are already a professional artist, but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it. The truth is, it's not even stealing, it's just using. As long as you say where the idea came from there's nothing morally wrong about making a better picture. In fact, that's the basic premise of childhood artwork. If in 20 years, a bunch of people look back and say "that shirt was awesome", then it will be the case that lots of people made versions of it. My version is good enough for me bo. I've already heard the "field of bottle" joke before so don't worry, no one stole it from you.
"but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it" So you had an idea of an image, influenced by something you have recently come to enjoy and by something which is very prevalent in our culture (the idea of an epic battle). "They suck at ideas because they have honed their craft". This is almost as stupid as when you said "in a sense it defines me". Professional artists are often incredibly creative people, and I'm using the term artist here to apply to all who have made an art their profession, from painting to sculpting to blade making. They are also often quite industrious and hard working, clearly unlike yourself.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 11, 2020 3:24:37 GMT
bo. I'm seriously not going to spend that kind of time. Do you know how easy it is to make a t-semprini profile?? YOu just upload an image, and if people want it, they can order a t-shirt and they will make one and send it out to who bought it. I'm not a t-shirt salesperson. I don't want a career in t-shirt design. But the joke is the kind of joke that would be on a t-shirt, so that's what I ended up "throwing together". I'm not here to make an amazing t-shirt, I can't worry about it that much, by the end of the day something else is going to be more interesting for me to spend my time on. If the idea was going to be really popular, someone will steal the idea and make a better one, and then say it was their idea, and no matter what I do, I'm not going to draw a fancier picture, they already know it's going to make enough money to justify a professional art team so they hire one. Maybe they are already a professional artist, but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it. The truth is, it's not even stealing, it's just using. As long as you say where the idea came from there's nothing morally wrong about making a better picture. In fact, that's the basic premise of childhood artwork. If in 20 years, a bunch of people look back and say "that shirt was awesome", then it will be the case that lots of people made versions of it. My version is good enough for me bo. I've already heard the "field of bottle" joke before so don't worry, no one stole it from you.
"but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it" So you had an idea of an image, influenced by something you have recently come to enjoy and by something which is very prevalent in our culture (the idea of an epic battle). "They suck at ideas because they have honed their craft". This is almost as stupid as when you said "in a sense it defines me". Professional artists are often incredibly creative people, and I'm using the term artist here to apply to all who have made an art their profession, from painting to sculpting to blade making. They are also often quite industrious and hard working, clearly unlike yourself.
no that is exactly what does happen,,, the person who is an incredible artist is interested in other very fine arts, and would never think of some thing that has nothing to do with their art. They wish they had an application for their art but they don't, they just have more art. Then, they see someone elses idea, but it's a "terrible" rendition, and they at that time have the opportunity to make a "good" one, so maybe they do. The reality of that situation is, that's what they should do, people will like it, and the other reality is, yes I'm saying there's no possible way they would have ever had the same idea because ideas are a result of environment. but,,,,, I buy that, that the "field of bottle" joke has existed perhaps multiple times before, it's not exactly outrageous, the word battle and the word bottle only have one letter different.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 11, 2020 3:26:48 GMT
bo. I'm seriously not going to spend that kind of time. Do you know how easy it is to make a t-semprini profile?? YOu just upload an image, and if people want it, they can order a t-shirt and they will make one and send it out to who bought it. I'm not a t-shirt salesperson. I don't want a career in t-shirt design. But the joke is the kind of joke that would be on a t-shirt, so that's what I ended up "throwing together". I'm not here to make an amazing t-shirt, I can't worry about it that much, by the end of the day something else is going to be more interesting for me to spend my time on. If the idea was going to be really popular, someone will steal the idea and make a better one, and then say it was their idea, and no matter what I do, I'm not going to draw a fancier picture, they already know it's going to make enough money to justify a professional art team so they hire one. Maybe they are already a professional artist, but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it. The truth is, it's not even stealing, it's just using. As long as you say where the idea came from there's nothing morally wrong about making a better picture. In fact, that's the basic premise of childhood artwork. If in 20 years, a bunch of people look back and say "that shirt was awesome", then it will be the case that lots of people made versions of it. My version is good enough for me bo. I've already heard the "field of bottle" joke before so don't worry, no one stole it from you.
"but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it" So you had an idea of an image, influenced by something you have recently come to enjoy and by something which is very prevalent in our culture (the idea of an epic battle). "They suck at ideas because they have honed their craft". This is almost as stupid as when you said "in a sense it defines me". Professional artists are often incredibly creative people, and I'm using the term artist here to apply to all who have made an art their profession, from painting to sculpting to blade making. They are also often quite industrious and hard working, clearly unlike yourself.
also I would love to know where you heard that one, because having had the same joke myself, I would be interested to know of others who also had it.
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Post by howler on Jul 11, 2020 4:32:47 GMT
I've already heard the "field of bottle" joke before so don't worry, no one stole it from you.
"but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it" So you had an idea of an image, influenced by something you have recently come to enjoy and by something which is very prevalent in our culture (the idea of an epic battle). "They suck at ideas because they have honed their craft". This is almost as stupid as when you said "in a sense it defines me". Professional artists are often incredibly creative people, and I'm using the term artist here to apply to all who have made an art their profession, from painting to sculpting to blade making. They are also often quite industrious and hard working, clearly unlike yourself.
also I would love to know where you heard that one, because having had the same joke myself, I would be interested to know of others who also had it. I'm sure people have used the term "field of bottle"...in bars/taverns. Burp.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 11, 2020 4:43:09 GMT
bo. I'm seriously not going to spend that kind of time. Do you know how easy it is to make a t-semprini profile?? YOu just upload an image, and if people want it, they can order a t-shirt and they will make one and send it out to who bought it. I'm not a t-shirt salesperson. I don't want a career in t-shirt design. But the joke is the kind of joke that would be on a t-shirt, so that's what I ended up "throwing together". I'm not here to make an amazing t-shirt, I can't worry about it that much, by the end of the day something else is going to be more interesting for me to spend my time on. If the idea was going to be really popular, someone will steal the idea and make a better one, and then say it was their idea, and no matter what I do, I'm not going to draw a fancier picture, they already know it's going to make enough money to justify a professional art team so they hire one. Maybe they are already a professional artist, but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it. The truth is, it's not even stealing, it's just using. As long as you say where the idea came from there's nothing morally wrong about making a better picture. In fact, that's the basic premise of childhood artwork. If in 20 years, a bunch of people look back and say "that shirt was awesome", then it will be the case that lots of people made versions of it. My version is good enough for me bo. I've already heard the "field of bottle" joke before so don't worry, no one stole it from you.
"but that's why they suck at ideas because they're so focused on their art, and that's who steals it" So you had an idea of an image, influenced by something you have recently come to enjoy and by something which is very prevalent in our culture (the idea of an epic battle). "They suck at ideas because they have honed their craft". This is almost as stupid as when you said "in a sense it defines me". Professional artists are often incredibly creative people, and I'm using the term artist here to apply to all who have made an art their profession, from painting to sculpting to blade making. They are also often quite industrious and hard working, clearly unlike yourself.
Bruh. That's waaay over the line into "personal attack" area. C'mon man.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 15, 2020 2:56:20 GMT
Well,, I hope this listing stays up, but here is the shirt design in it's intended form. Please note that I do not intend to actually SELL the shirt, merely to list it. However, if you DO want to buy the shirt, then it is available. That said, I do not intend to pursue a financial effort of selling t-shirts. I only intend to get a job and have fun on my own time. However,,, making witty quips that I think would be fun t-shirts IS a pastime, and thanks to the design of t-shirt selling sites, it is easy to both produce a cheesy shirt AND have it available for anyone who also would think it was fun to buy one. teespring.com/mighty-field-of-bottle?pid=2&cid=568
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Post by howler on Jul 15, 2020 3:22:30 GMT
Sword almost looks like a reverse swastika (Indian symbol of peace or some such) being pulled & stretched into a black hole.
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