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Post by tsmspace on Jul 8, 2020 4:33:44 GMT
I eventually couldn't wait around until someone liked my general idea, so I created a t-shirt on teepublic. It is the "mighty field of bottle" theme. (as per me) edit:::: well the link was removed for some kind of claim, I will reply below to previous comments, but here is the art. edit 2::: here is another link to basically the same kind of link,,, teespring.com/mighty-field-of-bottle?pid=2&cid=568
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Post by MOK on Jul 8, 2020 10:53:21 GMT
For one thing, you'd be somewhat safer, legally speaking, without the text labels - and fans will recognize the swords without 'em just the same. (As long as you drew the actual illustrations yourself, of course.) So I'd drop the text and make the swords bigger, instead.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 9, 2020 3:34:40 GMT
Get better at drawing?
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 9, 2020 4:12:54 GMT
Geez dude, no need to be a semprini.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 9, 2020 4:36:22 GMT
Geez dude, no need to be a semprini. Sorry but come on if you're going to sell a product make it a good product.
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Post by foxanidu on Jul 9, 2020 6:03:21 GMT
Looks a little boring. Add some flair to it
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 6:21:16 GMT
For one thing, you'd be somewhat safer, legally speaking, without the text labels - and fans will recognize the swords without 'em just the same. (As long as you drew the actual illustrations yourself, of course.) So I'd drop the text and make the swords bigger, instead. I'm not sure what you mean. about text. I dont' think my phrase is used anywhere ,, it can't possibly be, basically. I've searched. someone could try to be a criminal and steal it from me, but it's mine, I am certainly the first to ever publish it. It was here in a thread. Also, I think you may have seen the wrong pic, they took my one down right away. here is my one.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 6:28:35 GMT
which pic are you talking about?? the one I am now displaying?? anyway, keep wishing about me getting better at drawing. IN other posts I suggest that I am aware of my lackluster drawing, but I remark that it's not going to get any better, so no point in working at it. having said that, consider it as an art style. It's microsoft paint, and you CAN identify what is going on, it may not be pretty, but you see it just fine,,,, that's a style. !! I like that style a lot too, since it's mine, and many others, and when I see it it is art to me. (I realize that people who spent much time practicing their drawing or graphic design skills prefer more well invested artworks, and I can appreciate that, but it just so happens I have other arts I prefer more, for example the opposite, where a person is able to in virtually no time create an image that does the job, which IS also an art-skill, and WHEN people put their time developing the skill, be it in paint or on paper, they tend to enjoy others similar works, just as more invested artists enjoy the works of other similar artists.,,, it's not about the visual display, it's about used paint and is sword) so,,,,,,,,,, having said all of THAT,,,, that doesn't mean I think that the joke should be limited to my draft-style of art. I did consider potentially asking an artist to draw it, but I was a music student, which means that I've had lots of exposure to artists, and there's two considerations. I'm not prepared to HIRE someone over this particular joke, and if I WERE prepared to hire someone, I wouldn't know how to make my selection of which artist to award the commission to, I probably wouldn't even LIKE what they drafted up until long after I got used to looking at it. anyway it amounts to a meme. It's not worth bunching my undies over.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 6:29:43 GMT
Looks a little boring. Add some flair to it were you looking at the image that I just posted?? they took my link down almost immediately and it goes to someone elses art now, so I'm not sure if you saw mine or someone elses...
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 6:30:11 GMT
Geez dude, no need to be a semprini. hahaha!!! a sem pri ni .....
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Post by MOK on Jul 9, 2020 8:37:22 GMT
Oh. Well, that's, uh, entirely different than what I was shown before!
I'd polish the art A LOT and spend many more hours working on the overall design, especially the typography and the arrangement of the elements, before putting it up for sale.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 9, 2020 15:31:18 GMT
which pic are you talking about?? the one I am now displaying?? anyway, keep wishing about me getting better at drawing. IN other posts I suggest that I am aware of my lackluster drawing, but I remark that it's not going to get any better, so no point in working at it. having said that, consider it as an art style. It's microsoft paint, and you CAN identify what is going on, it may not be pretty, but you see it just fine,,,, that's a style. !! I like that style a lot too, since it's mine, and many others, and when I see it it is art to me. (I realize that people who spent much time practicing their drawing or graphic design skills prefer more well invested artworks, and I can appreciate that, but it just so happens I have other arts I prefer more, for example the opposite, where a person is able to in virtually no time create an image that does the job, which IS also an art-skill, and WHEN people put their time developing the skill, be it in paint or on paper, they tend to enjoy others similar works, just as more invested artists enjoy the works of other similar artists.,,, it's not about the visual display, it's about used paint and is sword) so,,,,,,,,,, having said all of THAT,,,, that doesn't mean I think that the joke should be limited to my draft-style of art. I did consider potentially asking an artist to draw it, but I was a music student, which means that I've had lots of exposure to artists, and there's two considerations. I'm not prepared to HIRE someone over this particular joke, and if I WERE prepared to hire someone, I wouldn't know how to make my selection of which artist to award the commission to, I probably wouldn't even LIKE what they drafted up until long after I got used to looking at it. anyway it amounts to a meme. It's not worth bunching my undies over. If it's not worth bunching your undies over, it's not worth charging money for. There is no effort in your artwork and I use that term loosely because I think it is clear there is no art in what you are showing. "It's not going to get any better so there's no point working at it". What the hell kind of idiotic thing is that to think? Boy, I am sure glad the rest of the world doesn't have that sort of mind set though I know lots of people do. Your drawing seriously can't get better than that? You think that's the best you can do? Goodness man. It looks like you doodled it in a napkin to make dinner guests politely laugh, not to put on a shirt to sell to people. Edit: this is a great example of a fixed mind set. "I have only this amount of skill I can ever possibly achieve in this field so I will not work to improve". www.mindsetworks.com/science/
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 16:28:22 GMT
Oh. Well, that's, uh, entirely different than what I was shown before! I'd polish the art A LOT and spend many more hours working on the overall design, especially the typography and the arrangement of the elements, before putting it up for sale. I know people think like that, but I prefer my style. Actually I made a bunch of powerpoint presentations in the same style , making one argument or another, or telling one joke or another, or describing some story concept or another, so to you it looks like this one way, but to me it looks familiar, it's my art style, and I've made so many drawings like that, I don't see another way.
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Post by tsmspace on Jul 9, 2020 16:29:43 GMT
which pic are you talking about?? the one I am now displaying?? anyway, keep wishing about me getting better at drawing. IN other posts I suggest that I am aware of my lackluster drawing, but I remark that it's not going to get any better, so no point in working at it. having said that, consider it as an art style. It's microsoft paint, and you CAN identify what is going on, it may not be pretty, but you see it just fine,,,, that's a style. !! I like that style a lot too, since it's mine, and many others, and when I see it it is art to me. (I realize that people who spent much time practicing their drawing or graphic design skills prefer more well invested artworks, and I can appreciate that, but it just so happens I have other arts I prefer more, for example the opposite, where a person is able to in virtually no time create an image that does the job, which IS also an art-skill, and WHEN people put their time developing the skill, be it in paint or on paper, they tend to enjoy others similar works, just as more invested artists enjoy the works of other similar artists.,,, it's not about the visual display, it's about used paint and is sword) so,,,,,,,,,, having said all of THAT,,,, that doesn't mean I think that the joke should be limited to my draft-style of art. I did consider potentially asking an artist to draw it, but I was a music student, which means that I've had lots of exposure to artists, and there's two considerations. I'm not prepared to HIRE someone over this particular joke, and if I WERE prepared to hire someone, I wouldn't know how to make my selection of which artist to award the commission to, I probably wouldn't even LIKE what they drafted up until long after I got used to looking at it. anyway it amounts to a meme. It's not worth bunching my undies over. If it's not worth bunching your undies over, it's not worth charging money for. There is no effort in your artwork and I use that term loosely because I think it is clear there is no art in what you are showing. "It's not going to get any better so there's no point working at it". What the hell kind of idiotic thing is that to think? Boy, I am sure glad the rest of the world doesn't have that sort of mind set though I know lots of people do. Your drawing seriously can't get better than that? You think that's the best you can do? Goodness man. It looks like you doodled it in a napkin to make dinner guests politely laugh, not to put on a shirt to sell to people. Edit: this is a great example of a fixed mind set. "I have only this amount of skill I can ever possibly achieve in this field so I will not work to improve". www.mindsetworks.com/science/Its not about improving, it's about do I think it's what I want. I comment above that I've made a ton of such style of art, and I happen to prefer it. It's not that I don't "think I can do better", it's that I think this is what's good. why don't cartoon artists draw more lifelike images?? because, they don't like how it looks, they like their cartoons. That's what this is, a cartoon.
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Post by MOK on Jul 9, 2020 16:38:13 GMT
Put short: if you want to sell T-shirts bearing your cartoons, you'll have to think about what other people will want to pay money for, rather than what you're used to.
PS. This isn't about technical skill, even. It's about thought and effort. Let me put it this way: was there some particular reason why you placed a curved sword with a backwards crossguard horizontally across the top of the image? Was there some particular reason why you placed the text below it, in a relatively small size, in the default Sans typeface, centered, in two rows cut between "field" and "of" specifically, with only the first T capitalized? Was there some particular reason why you placed the cut bottle below the text, centered, in relatively small size? Was there some particular reason why there are four other, bigger bottles in a row at the bottom, again centered, again in relatively (and similarly!) small size? Is there some particular reason why everything is so evenly spaced and centered, with equal amounts of black space in between and on either side? Or why it's all white on black, with a single blue highlight?
...or have I already put more thought into this than you did?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 9, 2020 17:44:58 GMT
If it's not worth bunching your undies over, it's not worth charging money for. There is no effort in your artwork and I use that term loosely because I think it is clear there is no art in what you are showing. "It's not going to get any better so there's no point working at it". What the hell kind of idiotic thing is that to think? Boy, I am sure glad the rest of the world doesn't have that sort of mind set though I know lots of people do. Your drawing seriously can't get better than that? You think that's the best you can do? Goodness man. It looks like you doodled it in a napkin to make dinner guests politely laugh, not to put on a shirt to sell to people. Edit: this is a great example of a fixed mind set. "I have only this amount of skill I can ever possibly achieve in this field so I will not work to improve". www.mindsetworks.com/science/Its not about improving, it's about do I think it's what I want. I comment above that I've made a ton of such style of art, and I happen to prefer it. It's not that I don't "think I can do better", it's that I think this is what's good. why don't cartoon artists draw more lifelike images?? because, they don't like how it looks, they like their cartoons. That's what this is, a cartoon. "IN other posts I suggest that I am aware of my lackluster drawing, but I remark that it's not going to get any better, so no point in working at it" No where in your earlier post do you say what you just relayed. There's no style to you "art", it's just bad. It's boring, there's no thought or originality, not even a sign of a creative process which went into it. It's clear you had an idea, lazily threw some elements together in MS paint, and never thought about improving it past a certain low degree. You took a decent idea - and executed it horribly. The "style of art" has no style aside from a total lack of effort, even in the text which is the most boring font, with again no style aside from thoughtless lack of effort. Cartoonists have a certain style. You don't. You just don't put in effort. "Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist" - J.B. Peterson. Just because you can't be added to put in any effort doesn't mean you can excuse your lack of effort by saying it's "your own art style". It's laziness.
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Post by MOK on Jul 9, 2020 18:17:29 GMT
Don't get carried away, Jordan. Keep it civil.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jul 9, 2020 18:45:53 GMT
Don't get carried away, Jordan. Keep it civil. How do you softly speak to someone who is trying to sell a t - shirt which has had the lowest possible effort you could possibly ever put into it and is hiding it under the guise of artistic endeavor? Perhaps I am being too harsh and I am certainly willing to accept that proposition. However, in that openness I have to also propose that perhaps OP is not entirely honest with himself, and by extension all of us in his own proposition to sell us a product. It is very easy to justify sloppy workmanship or a lack of effort by saying it's an attempt to create your own style or fit into a certain category.
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Post by MOK on Jul 9, 2020 19:37:24 GMT
Don't get carried away, Jordan. Keep it civil. How do you softly speak to someone who is trying to sell a t - shirt which has had the lowest possible effort you could possibly ever put into it and is hiding it under the guise of artistic endeavor? Perhaps I am being too harsh and I am certainly willing to accept that proposition. However, in that openness I have to also propose that perhaps OP is not entirely honest with himself, and by extension all of us in his own proposition to sell us a product. It is very easy to justify sloppy workmanship or a lack of effort by saying it's an attempt to create your own style or fit into a certain category. Speaking as a trained professional artist/designer, count to ten and think of your happy place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 22:24:33 GMT
As you posted the phrase here, technically everything you have posted here is the domain of this forum.
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