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Post by badguybuster on May 30, 2020 15:39:42 GMT
I just finished Medieval Combat by Hans Talhoffer. It was "Translated" by Mark Rector. I found it to be pretty a pretty disappointing read. Anyone else read it?
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Post by MOK on May 30, 2020 18:58:52 GMT
Disappointing how - dry? uninformative? bad translation?
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Post by badguybuster on May 30, 2020 20:12:00 GMT
It felt disjointed and like parts were left out
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Post by demented on May 30, 2020 21:11:59 GMT
It felt disjointed and like parts were left out Well theory is Talhoffer wrote that as more of a pictorial resumè than an instructional reference. You cant really get much out of it unless you use it with another KDF source. Although the dagger and messer stuff was pretty easy for myself. Then there are the translation issues of High German to English...I liked it as a picture guide to use in conjunction with early KDF sources(Ringeck & PvD). Paulus Kal is much the same way. |
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Post by badguybuster on May 31, 2020 1:23:06 GMT
Im reading "The Medievel Longsword" now and its really good.
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Post by demented on May 31, 2020 2:13:22 GMT
Im reading "The Medievel Longsword" now and its really good. Who is the author? |
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Post by badguybuster on May 31, 2020 10:12:16 GMT
Guy Windsor
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Post by demented on May 31, 2020 17:43:51 GMT
Nice, are you interested in Armizare or Liechtenauer? I dont know your experience level but if you're new(er) to this stuff I would focus on one or the other. |
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Post by badguybuster on Jun 1, 2020 0:38:01 GMT
Im a voracious reader of pretty much any topic that catches my attention. I have a pretty extensive Kendo and fencing background. Relatively new to the Longsword
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Post by demented on Jun 1, 2020 9:19:32 GMT
Im a voracious reader of pretty much any topic that catches my attention. I have a pretty extensive Kendo and fencing background. Relatively new to the Longsword For a Liechtenauer book similar to Guy Windsors work try Christian Toblers "Fighting with the German Longsword". |
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Post by MOK on Jun 1, 2020 9:50:27 GMT
Im a voracious reader of pretty much any topic that catches my attention. I have a pretty extensive Kendo and fencing background. Relatively new to the Longsword For a Liechtenauer book similar to Guy Windsors work try Christian Toblers "Fighting with the German Longsword". I would also recommend David Lindholm and Peter Svärd's "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" (exactly what it says on the tin) and "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Arts of Combat" (sword and buckler, wrestling, and armored fighting). Along with a transcription and translation of the original text they also present detailed and copiously illustrated interpretations of each technique along with more general commentary that help put things in context for a modern reader. |
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Post by demented on Jun 1, 2020 13:04:02 GMT
For a Liechtenauer book similar to Guy Windsors work try Christian Toblers "Fighting with the German Longsword". I would also recommend David Lindholm and Peter Svärd's "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" (exactly what it says on the tin) and "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Arts of Combat" (sword and buckler, wrestling, and armored fighting). Along with a transcription and translation of the original text they also present detailed and copiously illustrated interpretations of each technique along with more general commentary that help put things in context for a modern reader. I've always wanted those books but they are out of print and $$$$. Usually $200+ per book. I especially like the pictures Tobler has an older book set up somewhat like that "Secrets of German Medieval Swordsman ship" www.freelanceacademypress.com/secrets.aspxIn my opinion this is the "best" translation if your just wanting source material. There is no pics but its written in modern English, too bad he. has not done a Ringeck translation like this "Peter von Danzig"- Harry R. www.blurb.com/b/9442168-peter-von-danzig |
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Post by sooter76 on Mar 25, 2021 4:07:54 GMT
For a Liechtenauer book similar to Guy Windsors work try Christian Toblers "Fighting with the German Longsword". I would also recommend David Lindholm and Peter Svärd's "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" (exactly what it says on the tin) and "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Arts of Combat" (sword and buckler, wrestling, and armored fighting). Along with a transcription and translation of the original text they also present detailed and copiously illustrated interpretations of each technique along with more general commentary that help put things in context for a modern reader. Not anymore, they’re considered well outdated... That said, I tend to be of the opinion that just because general concerns us of interpretations change doesn’t mean the old interpretation is without merit. Often i think these old and dismissed interpretations can simply be variations of the same play. |
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Post by sooter76 on Mar 25, 2021 4:12:29 GMT
I would also recommend David Lindholm and Peter Svärd's "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Art of the Longsword" (exactly what it says on the tin) and "Sigmund Ringeck's Knightly Arts of Combat" (sword and buckler, wrestling, and armored fighting). Along with a transcription and translation of the original text they also present detailed and copiously illustrated interpretations of each technique along with more general commentary that help put things in context for a modern reader. I've always wanted those books but they are out of print and $$$$. Usually $200+ per book. I especially like the pictures Tobler has an older book set up somewhat like that "Secrets of German Medieval Swordsman ship" www.freelanceacademypress.com/secrets.aspxIn my opinion this is the "best" translation if your just wanting source material. There is no pics but its written in modern English, too bad he. has not done a Ringeck translation like this "Peter von Danzig"- Harry R. www.blurb.com/b/9442168-peter-von-danzigI have ‘Secrets of German Medieval Swordsmanship’ and it does include photos and Tobler’s interpretation. If you want a translation and interpretation of Sigmund Ringeck’s manuscript this is probably the best one to go with, not least of all because it is still in print. |
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Post by sooter76 on Mar 25, 2021 4:15:29 GMT
IMO Talhoffer is best passed over until you’re well grounded in the German tradition... It isn’t a system on its own and as it’s simply illustrations with very limited descriptions, you need a background to figure out where to start from.
Talhoffer became popular in the early days of modern HEMA because there was little else to compete against it.
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Post by silverite on May 3, 2021 3:15:29 GMT
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