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Post by demented on May 28, 2020 15:22:38 GMT
I feel like an idiot now, I really thought Templers carried war swords this whole time
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:31:37 GMT
Templar
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Post by demented on May 28, 2020 23:51:00 GMT
Templar Context Definition Oxymorons Not sure what you mean here, its been a long long day for me. I shouldve probably worded that better. Its just I always pictured Templers carrying war swords in the crusades but this video made me realize the timelines dont match up quite right.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 29, 2020 2:09:41 GMT
Our brains evolved to fill in the blank spaces of our memories and beliefs. Unfortunately, selective pressure didn't assure that evidence-based conclusions win out over half-baked flights of fancy.
The first time I encountered the word 'cudgel' was in a Conan novel as a kid, and it was misspelled 'crudgel'. For years afterwards, anytime I read that word, I saw it spelled with a supernumerary 'r'. An 'r' which, to my knowledge, only ever really existed as a typographical error in one Conan paperback (which I've held onto as proof to myself of this wierd heuristic-induced hallucination I experienced). Our brains are complex organs, which evolved different components at different stages of our progress from early multicellular organisms all the long, drawn-out way to the pinnacle of primate pompousity and peculiarities parabolas we are today. Because those different regions of our brains developed separately over time, not all of those distinct parts of the human think-meat work as well together as they would if they'd evolved as a single complex system. Thus, we get to experience all sorts of wonky things that don't really make much sense when objectively scrutinized.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 3:06:38 GMT
Templars, not Templers. Two entirely different groups.
Context=Timeline. Know the Templar Knights in history, their duties, relation to crusaders, business and scope of the overall.
Definition. What is a longsword vs a long sword. There's a debate for you.
Oxymorons. Mix and repeat all the above.
Or........
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Post by demented on May 29, 2020 5:30:40 GMT
Templars, not Templers. Two entirely different groups. Context=Timeline. Know the Templar Knights in history, their duties, relation to crusaders, business and scope of the overall. Definition. What is a longsword vs a long sword. There's a debate for you. Oxymorons. Mix and repeat all the above. Or........ Good catch, I mean when you actually think about it the war sword dosnt really make sense for them. It's just one of them things like what Zen_Hydra is talking about in the post above. To be completely honest my knowledge of the pre-14th century is rather limited as you can tell.
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Post by demented on May 29, 2020 5:41:02 GMT
It dosnt help that in most movies or TV shows the Templars carry two-handed swords, even halfway decent ones like knightfall do this.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on May 30, 2020 12:28:00 GMT
It dosnt help that in most movies or TV shows the Templars carry two-handed swords, even halfway decent ones like knightfall do this. From the film industry viewpoint, I guess bigger, two-handed weapons are both more impressive to the public eye and flashier as it can allow wider and stronger, spectacularly dramatical moves. Also weapons in each hands. Shields are generally boring, only thing they do is keep one alive and be cumbersome.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on May 30, 2020 13:36:37 GMT
Arn the Knight Templar did a good job avoiding this pitfall. Or knightfall, as it were. Don't even get me started on Knightfall... the only redeeming part of Knightfall for me was Mark Hamill.
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Post by pgandy on May 30, 2020 15:30:43 GMT
What the movies/TV does to our perception of history is a shame. Don’t believe what you see on the screen as facts. They are best gotten elsewhere. The screen is only for entertainment and lately, for me, that falls short of its goals.
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Post by demented on May 30, 2020 16:39:49 GMT
Another one, I have little interest in Vikings but like the Templar I had some pretty inaccurate preconceived notion about beserker vikings wielding massive swords.
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Post by demented on May 30, 2020 16:48:31 GMT
For the record, I do not consider Matt Easton the sole authority on these types of things. I've just been watching his channel the last few days. I actually am weary of some of his opinions especially regarding German longsword ...but in general he provides enough evidence in a nice presentable fashion that I will still watch his videos.
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Post by pgandy on May 30, 2020 18:29:32 GMT
For the record, I do not consider Matt Easton the sole authority on these types of things. I've just been watching his channel the last few days. I actually am weary of some of his opinions especially regarding German longsword ...but in general he provides enough evidence in a nice presentable fashion that I will still watch his videos. The problem with watching these “authorities” is that we tend to place them on a pedestal and when they error, and they do, it is a big letdown and we tend to magnify it more than otherwise. I like Easton and frequently watch him and have learned a thing or two. Does he speak the gospel? No, like everyone else he errors on occasions unfortunately and that comes across big time. I can think of the time he reviewed one of his student’s sword which happened to be the CS copy of the USMC NCO sabre. I found many misconceptions on his part, overall he kept comparing it with a 19th century sword when in fact it’s a copy of a 21st century sword being issued today, so understandably the leather is not the same as it was 200 years ago. Whether it equals the present issue sabre I don't know as I've never seen one nor his he. I won’t go into further detail at this point.
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Post by demented on May 30, 2020 20:06:22 GMT
For the record, I do not consider Matt Easton the sole authority on these types of things. I've just been watching his channel the last few days. I actually am weary of some of his opinions especially regarding German longsword ...but in general he provides enough evidence in a nice presentable fashion that I will still watch his videos. The problem with watching these “authorities” is that we tend to place them on a pedestal and when they error, and they do, it is a big letdown and we tend to magnify it more than otherwise. I like Easton and frequently watch him and have learned a thing or two. Does he speak the gospel? No, like everyone else he errors on occasions unfortunately and that comes across big time. I can think of the time he reviewed one of his student’s sword which happened to be the CS copy of the USMC NCO sabre. I found many misconceptions on his part, overall he kept comparing it with a 19th century sword when in fact it’s a copy of a 21st century sword being issued today, so understandably the leather is not the same as it was 200 years ago. Whether it equals the present issue sabre I don't know as I've never seen one nor his he. I won’t go into further detail at this point. I agree. Shaduniversity, Skalligram, Metatron, etc do get treated as gospel, in general. I don't hold that belief but I see it all the time, they are more of a point of reference for me. I could point to at least a few thing he is wrong about in regard to Liechtenauers art yet if you say anything around his fans it gets pretty ugly. I think the one I got tore into was on parrying in KDF, I even cited sources both historical and from modern practioners view points but nope, his word is it. I was just being a blasphemous heretic at that point. Lol
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Post by pgandy on May 30, 2020 20:50:35 GMT
The problem with watching these “authorities” is that we tend to place them on a pedestal and when they error, and they do, it is a big letdown and we tend to magnify it more than otherwise. I like Easton and frequently watch him and have learned a thing or two. Does he speak the gospel? No, like everyone else he errors on occasions unfortunately and that comes across big time. I can think of the time he reviewed one of his student’s sword which happened to be the CS copy of the USMC NCO sabre. I found many misconceptions on his part, overall he kept comparing it with a 19th century sword when in fact it’s a copy of a 21st century sword being issued today, so understandably the leather is not the same as it was 200 years ago. Whether it equals the present issue sabre I don't know as I've never seen one nor his he. I won’t go into further detail at this point. I agree. Shaduniversity, Skalligram, Metatron, etc do get treated as gospel, in general. I don't hold that belief but I see it all the time, they are more of a point of reference for me. I could point to at least a few thing he is wrong about in regard to Liechtenauers art yet if you say anything around his fans it gets pretty ugly. I think the one I got tore into was on parrying in KDF, I even cited sources both historical and from modern practioners view points but nope, his word is it. I was just being a blasphemous heretic at that point. Lol I had a similiar problem with Skall as his review countered mine and mine was there months, year?, before his. It was regarding Lord of Battles Brigandine. I gave it a good review and his downright terrible. I could argue against his reasons, they were not justified. One was that it was difficult to adjust after putting on. All he had to do was to put the thing on the other way around so that to tighten he could just pulled the adjusting straps forward. The front and back panels are cut exactly the same. Putting it on the way he did made finding the buckle and threading the strap through difficult, not to mention adjusting exhausting. Another solution to his grief was to have the straps prethreaded through the buckles and slip it on over his head, let gravity do most of the work then pull the strap ends to the front to adjust. Both extremely easy methods to solve those complaints. There were more none of which had much value as well as I remember. I’ll have to admit that KoA’s at current price I’d think hard before ordering. I have no regrets ordering mine.
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