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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 22:55:48 GMT
Let's play "Whatzit?" Don't give it away. just vote if you care to. "I know!" "I know!" replies welcome, as are "Would you just get a life?" Anyone can then announce the truth on June 6th, a day to remember. One clue, the correct answer is not "rust" but will get an honorable mention. Again, refrain from spilling the beans until the 6th. Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 23:19:39 GMT
Stupid board counts me every time I read the same post.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on May 28, 2020 12:48:55 GMT
June 6th... HMMM... I know I know! 1923 - U.S.A. One Piece Swimming Suits
What do i win?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 20:53:14 GMT
"This day in history!" The day this particular Whatzit poll ends. You win the right to claim to be the third poster in the thread. Also a note of merit in valour for being the first to wander a bit astray.
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Post by Uhlan on May 30, 2020 20:14:28 GMT
Typical honeysuckle trap thought out by the ,,Night People from Oop North''. Zombies with enormous teeth. Shape shifters from those cold, dark and dripping woods. I can smell the swamp mist already. This so called innocent game is designed to drive us mad and make us join Farcebook.
If I win I want that nice little hanger.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 19:49:15 GMT
The survey says some know this one. Wilkinson numbered British officer's 1821 heavy cavalry sword. A JM monogram. Research request sent off for the Wilkinson purchase records. A (probably right) thought is it to have belonged to Cornet John Moore of the 6th Dragoon Guards, commissioned 6 March 1869. 6th Dragoons. More correspondence with Jonathan related some movement of his posts and promotion but I'll hopefully be sure once the report from Richard Milner comes in. www.armsresearch.co.uk/Cheers GC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 1:23:31 GMT
I finally received the Wilkinson ledger page info. The only thing puzzling me is the notation of a regulation light cavalry vs heavy. The individual's history still escapes me but was with the 6th and then 5th dragoons, 1869-1878 when he retired as a captain. John Moore is a common name but in going through Burke's and other peerage books, no doubt of the same loyalist families of Ireland. The search continues. Cheers GC
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Post by pellius on Jun 25, 2020 1:42:06 GMT
Very cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 1:52:49 GMT
Some details shared and prepared by Jonathan Hopkins
John Moore
1870 Hart’s Annual Army List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: Newbridge Cornet 6 March 1869
1872 Hart’s Annual Army List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: [illegible] Lieutenant 5 July 1871
1873 Hart’s Annual Army List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: Aldershot
1874 Hart’s Annual Army List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: Hounslow
1876 Hart’s Annual Army List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: Norwich
1877 Hart’s Annual ARmy List 6th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: York
1878 Hart’s Annual Army List 5th Dragoon Guards Headquarters: Newbridge Captain 17 March 1877
The London Gazette, 23 November 1877 “Captain John Moore, from the 6th Dragoon Guards, to be Captain, vice W. C. Calvert, who exchanges. Dated 24th November, 1877.” 24 November 1877 is the date J. Moore transferred to the 5th Dragoon Guards
The London Gazette, 18 October 1878 “Lieutenant Maunsell Bowers to be Captain, vice J. Moore, retired. Dated 21st August, 1878.” 21 August 1878 is the date J. Moore retired
More sword dimensions forthcoming but basically blade 25 1/2" long width at guard 1 1/4" weight 2 lbs
Erstwhile cleaning has been overruled by naps but the hilt is a lot less crusty. I don't know if there was ever a buff leather liner but that seems to have been optional. That might explain why the inside of the basket was so rusted.
Cheers GC
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Post by Uhlan on Jun 25, 2020 7:32:05 GMT
Very interesting all of this. Always thought those ledgers to be humongous leather bound tomes, carried about by two struggling underlings. This looks more like a neat little Octavo.
Is this a Dress or an Undress sword? Never really got the hang of that. Is there a defining rule? Like ,, All blades with a width under X are to be regarded as Y?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 8:37:56 GMT
I asked a similar question and Jonathan indicated the dimensions relate it as a service weight sword. Blade thickness at the guard is 9mm. The way I am reading the ledger is that the blade is that of a regulation p1821 light cavalry blade and mounted as an officer's heavy with the basket. The minor expense for the research page was well worth the fee. I don't know that I will ever dabble in more Wilkinson swords of the period but I had handled one of these some years ago and was impressed by it. Seeing it on ebay and mislited, I knew what I recognized and then put in a bid, figuring someone would beat that. A moment of buyer remorse but then well adopted once in hand. One of my newest old swords.
Cheers GC
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Post by Spathologist on Jun 25, 2020 20:31:31 GMT
Very cool acquisition.
And a little envious that one can get solid info from a Wilkinson blade. I was overjoyed when I saw the original purchase of one of my M1880 Cav Officer sabers on the CD accompanying Farrington's book on US sabers...I can only imagine how nice being able to do that with nearly every numbered Wilkinson is...
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