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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 19, 2020 20:47:08 GMT
I’m new here, and not a big technology buff. So this is my first forum. I’m a long time knife and gun collector and came across this cool knife/dagger at an estate sale. I need help identifying the piece. I’ve never seen or owned anything this old, or maybe it’s a creative knockoff. But it seems to show serious age. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by JonSchwertFechter on Mar 19, 2020 21:16:08 GMT
Hmm, it actually has similarities with Ancient Halstatt/and some very Early Ironage Celt-Iberian Dagger types ( not saying that's what it is per say) But also far flung as it may be---- certain West African ,Higher-End Tribal pieces(which arent too common) of the Last 2 or three centuries Ive seen Bare some Semblance to this also-- more research would be needed(and some pics from other angles/higher Res. shots would be helpful too)..others may feel free to chime in as well
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 19, 2020 22:00:17 GMT
Here are some additional photos. Hope they help, there are places where you can see a bright gold/bronze sheen through the rust. It’s tempting to clean it, but I know that’s a big no-no
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 19, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
Thanks for the info, definitely gives me a place to start researching. I wanna learn as much as I can about it.
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Post by JonSchwertFechter on Mar 20, 2020 1:15:47 GMT
Your welcome jadams. and thanks for the extra photos, I'm intrigued as well. I would Definitely-- hold off-- any attempts to clean it for the time being as you already said. Good luck in your continued research if I can think of/Or find any additional info. I'll def. post back and let you know, and other members here hopefully will have some more insight to add also. Best Jon
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 20, 2020 3:51:19 GMT
I’m new here, and not a big technology buff. So this is my first forum. I’m a long time knife and gun collector and came across this cool knife/dagger at an estate sale. I need help identifying the piece. I’ve never seen or owned anything this old, or maybe it’s a creative knockoff. But it seems to show serious age. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Take a look around this place, www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=1 , especially, this subforum, www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=2 . They are absolutely the top place for stuff like this. Note well, they run a very serious forum and tend toward snooty. You'll need to join them to post your artifact, and there will be a delay while your application is processed by the mods, then a further delay before each post appearing until the mods decide you aren't a spammer or some kind of disruptive doofus. Do not under any circumstances mention prices, sales, auctions, or anything of the kind (like asking what something is worth) on that forum (except in the Classifieds section)!!!
I'm a member there, so, obviously, their screening system isn't perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 7:08:44 GMT
"I'm a member there, so, obviously, their screening system isn't perfect."
They/we of vikingsword.com are an academic forum. That should suffice.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 20, 2020 14:30:01 GMT
"I'm a member there, so, obviously, their screening system isn't perfect." They/we of vikingsword.com are an academic forum. That should suffice. The part of my comment that you quoted was meant as a joke. You should have ignored that, and cited the didactic parts.
My point overall was that it's a very different environment from SBG, and the OP is a newb. While a lot of excellent work gets posted, some of our colleagues over there seem to have majored in donnish sarcasm, and newbie faux-pas tend to attract it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 16:07:55 GMT
I guess my point is that no one should regard another board as snooty. Any registration anywhere sets down their regulations. Sure, levity has its place but if nothing else SBG has a reputation as well.
A new poster need not be regarded as a "newb", we know very little about them.
A belated welcome to SBG.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Mar 20, 2020 19:49:43 GMT
Hmmm, I'd be interested to know what parts aren't magnetic... That might give some clues also.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 20, 2020 21:40:28 GMT
Hmmm, I'd be interested to know what parts aren't magnetic... That might give some clues also. Yup, I'd like to know how much of what we see is organic, which might limit its probable age. I'm leaning toward African, but my own specialization is Far Eastern and Austronesian, so whaddaIknow.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 0:17:58 GMT
I submitted my info over there, so I’ll see if they let me in. I would honestly never ask about value, it’s not really what drives my collection. Of course if it happened to be a $50,000 thing then I could always use a new truck 😝. But I know that’s not gonna be the case. It’s just an amazing conversation piece and I would love to be able to tell it’s story if there is one. I really appreciate everyone’s help, I’ll check into it’s magnetic properties in an hour or so and let y’all know what I find. I also will post pics of another blade I picked up at the same sale. I believe I know what it is, but maybe you guys can prove me wrong. And thanks to all for being cool to the newbie. It’s been a pleasant experience for a first time forum guy.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 0:33:17 GMT
So only the blade itself is magnetic, I used a high power fishing magnet. Which I must say really shocked me due to the overall weight of the sheath and blade. This really stumped me, I was confused why anyone would think it wouldn’t be magnetic but you guys really know your stuff.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 0:39:29 GMT
So my thoughts initially are this blade is either a Filipino panabas, or possibly a talibong. But you guys are definitely more knowledgeable about foreign blades. So was wondering what your thoughts are on it.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 0:55:58 GMT
Here are some pics of the first blade which I took with a hi-res WiFi microscope. May give some insight into the metal itself.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 0:57:02 GMT
So pics 2, 4, 5, and 6 are the blade. The others are from the sheath and hilt.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 21, 2020 1:12:38 GMT
So my thoughts initially are this blade is either a Filipino panabas, or possibly a talibong. But you guys are definitely more knowledgeable about foreign blades. So was wondering what your thoughts are on it. Talibong, Eastern or possibly Central Visayan Islands in the Philippines, probably Leyte or Samar. Vintage to recent. It's ok to polish this one up. Nice talibong.
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 1:23:24 GMT
Thanks treeslicer, glad I had that one correct at least. I appreciate you narrowing that down, I’ll look up those islands later and read about them. It’s always nice to have some knowledge of the people that make the weapons.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 21, 2020 1:28:31 GMT
So pics 2, 4, 5, and 6 are the blade. The others are from the sheath and hilt. So the sheath and hilt are all metal? Roughly how heavy is this thing?
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Post by jadams781979 on Mar 21, 2020 3:56:19 GMT
2.6 pounds total. Definitely all metal
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