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Post by susieqz on Mar 9, 2020 16:11:50 GMT
hiya, guys. a while back, i mentioned that i want a sword made for actual war. several people told me that these swords should be held in trust. if i get a real sword i'd need to conserve it, as if i was a museum. fine. that sounds right, but, there must be some models out there that are as common as dirt. there must be some that i could sharpen n cut with, without feeling like a criminal.
i kinda like the swords the brits issued after 1845. not sure of the name but they replaced pipe backs. i don't care if it's brit. i just like the look.
so, what do you think? any combat swords around that i could get? i'm not at all interested in reproductions. i'd love your thots.
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Post by Polyester on Mar 9, 2020 16:19:46 GMT
I think what happened after 1830 doesn't have to be kept like in a museum. Especially no military sabers.
Nevertheless, all old things have their charm and they should be treated with care.
Thomas
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Post by susieqz on Mar 9, 2020 16:34:29 GMT
thanks, thomas. may i ask why 1830?
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 9, 2020 17:18:26 GMT
victoriansword.tumblr.com/post/161306515011/british-regulation-cavalry-swords-at-the-battle-ofYou may want to have a look here. First up, I do not like Brit sabres and swords. That said, it is often quite difficult to see whether you look at a Dress sabre/sword or a combat model of same. Also, Brit stuff can be quite pricey compared to continental models. Maybe have a look at the site of this gentleman. He often has good information on the British side of the sabre world and good deals too: Cheers.
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Post by susieqz on Mar 9, 2020 17:41:32 GMT
thanks. i've seen this guy cutting with antiques. i don't actually want a brit sword. i just want a copy from some other country.
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 18:40:57 GMT
imvho, if you buy the sword, it’s yours to dispose of and use as you see fit.
I personally like to see even humble historical swords preserved. Even as a casual hobbyist, I’ve seen many Euro and American (of both continents) military swords for sale online that have been horribly neglected. Obtaining one to restore back to a condition suitable for safe use would seem to lean more toward preservation than abuse, but again that’s just my very humble opinion.
Typically, price will put some limits on abuse, with even relatively wealthy collectors wishing to preserve their top-tier collectibles.
As to your question regarding a specific model suitable for use, may I humbly suggest the Bluchersabel. WWI artillery sabers of that type are pretty common, and can be had for not too much money. They are one of the few 20th Century swords I know of that were designed and constructed for hard battlefield use. They are historical, but still relatively young and likely to be in decent structural shape. Just a thought.
Whatever you choose, please share your experiences! Cheers.
Edit - I have no experience with British swords, so if you are looking specifically for one of those, I’m sadly of no help at all. 😕 Later production-date French m1822 LC’s seem relatively common and inexpensive, though.
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 18:46:54 GMT
Here’s a photo of my art’y, previously posted: German ArtillerieSabel n/A "Blucher Sabel", Fourth Generation/Model 1914 (no sword knot slot); Simson & Co., Suhl, German Empire; 1914
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 19:10:32 GMT
Here’s a shot of my m1822 LC (also previously posted) This particular one is an earlier production example, but the later ones look very similar. I don’t know if it is suitably similar to the Brit to appeal to your preferences, but may be worth a look. Edit: Sorry - wrong photo. I’m using my phone and it’s ... cumbersome. The correct photo:
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Mar 9, 2020 19:25:28 GMT
I think it's safe to say any antique you can buy for under $400 is common enough that you can sharpen it and use it without feeling bad. Briquets are one idea.
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Post by susieqz on Mar 9, 2020 22:29:41 GMT
thanks, guys. pellius, i love your swords. if i find one, i'll snap it up. they are very pretty, i guess those are my requirements. a pretty sword made for battlefield use. i'd prefer one that has drunk the blood of an enemy, but that i won't find.
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:24:42 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:25:30 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:26:03 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:27:04 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:28:53 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 9, 2020 23:35:16 GMT
thanks, guys. pellius, i love your swords. if i find one, i'll snap it up. they are very pretty, i guess those are my requirements. a pretty sword made for battlefield use. i'd prefer one that has drunk the blood of an enemy, but that i won't find. Thank you. My art’y has seen vigorous use after having been service sharpened. I can’t speak to “blood” specifically, but considering what was going on in 1914, it’s not exactly unlikely...
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 10, 2020 1:40:52 GMT
thanks, guys. pellius, i love your swords. if i find one, i'll snap it up. they are very pretty, i guess those are my requirements. a pretty sword made for battlefield use. i'd prefer one that has drunk the blood of an enemy, but that i won't find. Nothing this guy has for under 2 grand is going to trouble any antiquarian's sleep, no matter how many mats you cut with it, and the chances are good that any antique Japanese sword has seen combat. www.ebay.com/sch/Swords/66841/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ssn=daimyou54eb&_sop=15
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 1:46:49 GMT
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Post by susieqz on Mar 10, 2020 1:58:27 GMT
edel, that being the case, no need for you to participate,
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Post by bebut on Mar 10, 2020 3:17:38 GMT
Condition, condition, condition! Do your research and see the price spread for a worn but useable sword and the same model in mint condition with matching numbers, original scabbard or frog, etc. Find one that has been repaired or rehandled and the price goes down even more, as does its desirability for a museum or serious collector.
Get a beater and go beat with it! There is a certain charm to something that is over 100 years old, officially issued for war, and still useable now. I am not sure I would chop weeds with an antique, there are cheaper options out there, but cutting bottles sounds great.
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