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Post by calien on Mar 8, 2020 11:26:06 GMT
Hey guys Im trying to figure out if this is Napoleonic or just after, I cant find any samples of this drag and the lion head trows me off a bit as well. Not to mention its engraved instead of the B&G. What do you all think? Its up for auction but I have not bid on it yet. Hussar2.jfif (35.93 KB) Hussar3.jfif (23.67 KB) Hussar4.jfif (48.37 KB) Hussar5.jfif (35.28 KB) Hussar6.jfif (21.32 KB) Hussard.jfif (45.87 KB)
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Mar 8, 2020 16:08:47 GMT
You might want to post these in a more common format to get help. Personally I won't open them due to the odd file type. Just my .02
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Post by pgandy on Mar 8, 2020 17:08:48 GMT
The photos opened for me. And I’ve never seen such a drag. I will keep my opinions to myself.
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Post by calien on Mar 8, 2020 18:07:20 GMT
You might want to post these in a more common format to get help. Personally I won't open them due to the odd file type. Just my .02 for some reason it wont let me save them in any other format my apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:36:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:57:28 GMT
I would add that in my opinion, there should be a link to the origin of the listing, or at least an exacting transcript of the listing's description.
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Post by pgandy on Mar 8, 2020 19:19:36 GMT
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Post by calien on Mar 9, 2020 4:05:54 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 9, 2020 5:25:42 GMT
Engraving is not in the French style. Solingen? Hard to say. Without stamps or marks it is nearly impossible to date it. Solingen made Officers AN XI to about 1850 for instance. Style elements do not help much in such situations. I see though that the langets are pure Off. AN IX - XI. So there goes the Revolutionary period... One rule I have and it holds true quite often: the more elaborate the finishing touches, the more frou frou, the later the thing is made. That's for Officers sabres. Not for the $10.000 presentation pieces. Solingen excelled in slapping on the bells and whistles after the Napoleonic period. But in the back of my mind I have this notion it might be British for some reason. Dunno. But if you can get it for that price? I don't give a sempr!ni and I'll take two! And worrie later... There's some stuff starting to drop off. I hope you saw that?
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 9, 2020 5:38:02 GMT
The drag reminds me of Asia. Chinese/Mongolian style influence coming down via the trade routes to Persia via the Stans. Seen it there. Could be it was picked up during or after the Egyptian campaign. Those ,,snakes'' in the guard come from Egypt, if I am correct. Quite ,,Talismanic''? I bet l'Hoste has something to say about them. The other route the drag came here was via the Tatars in Hungary and Poland. Full of Hussars over there so the reference is quite explecit. Forget Egypt for now. Anyway, it's Asian in origin.
Cheers.
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Post by Polyester on Mar 9, 2020 16:23:36 GMT
Maybe a Russian production?
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 9, 2020 19:36:51 GMT
I meant to say that the source of the design of the drag is Far Eastern. Not that the sabre came from Poland, Hungary, Russia (reference to the Tatar Golden Horde) or anywhere else than most probably Solingen. Certain style elements yes, those came from afar, but that is not unusual for the more fancy Hussar sabres. Other then that, what makes you think it could be Russian Polyester?
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Post by MOK on Mar 9, 2020 21:13:08 GMT
You might want to post these in a more common format to get help. Personally I won't open them due to the odd file type. Just my .02 JFIF is just a supplementary type of JPEG. Nothing shady there.
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Post by Polyester on Mar 10, 2020 4:41:51 GMT
I meant to say that the source of the design of the drag is Far Eastern. Not that the sabre came from Poland, Hungary, Russia (reference to the Tatar Golden Horde) or anywhere else than most probably Solingen. Certain style elements yes, those came from afar, but that is not unusual for the more fancy Hussar sabres. Other then that, what makes you think it could be Russian Polyester? My intention was to explain that at the beginning of the 19th century, many smithies emigrated from Solingen to Russia. They then made ornate swords in Zlatoust. That would explain the connection between Solingen blacksmithing and Asian/Russian influence. Thomas
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 10, 2020 8:21:15 GMT
Totally forgot about that. Thank you for reminding Thomas.
I've been looking for the snakes in Armes Blanches. There is a lot going on with them, but I don't want to spoil Calien's fun. By the way, where's Calien?
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Post by calien on Mar 10, 2020 17:55:59 GMT
Totally forgot about that. Thank you for reminding Thomas. I've been looking for the snakes in Armes Blanches. There is a lot going on with them, but I don't want to spoil Calien's fun. By the way, where's Calien? Sorry Ive been a bit busy all of italy is getting quarantined and the base is getting locked down, havent had much time to get on. Thank you all for the inputs and im definitely going to be biding on it
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