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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 10, 2020 5:14:53 GMT
I'm not really interested in joining the military, but it seems like a popular recommendation... why? It can get you out of a perceived rut, get you out of town, you meet interesting people and learn new skills. It might accidentally make you more disciplined, decisive and responsible. Probably at least decisive.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 10, 2020 5:41:39 GMT
My Advice. It is very possible to find a job that you love doing, but those jobs often take some up front sacrifices. They are worth it. If you are interested in something go for it. Even if it's a long shot, why not give it a try? You might need to make sacrifices and live on the cheap for a while but if it's what you want you will be happier in the long run. Don't be afraid to move for an opportunity. Even multiple times. Pursue education when it is offered or needed. Skills are always marketable be they trades, technical, professional, or intellectual. And don't forget to travel.
Awesome stuff, thank you. I definitely think I need to start taking risks and making sacrifices.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 10, 2020 5:43:31 GMT
I'm not really interested in joining the military, but it seems like a popular recommendation... why? It can get you out of a perceived rut, get you out of town, you meet interesting people and learn new skills. It might accidentally make you more disciplined, decisive and responsible. Probably at least decisive.
Gotcha, that makes a lot of sense. Discipline, decisiveness and a sense of responsibility are things that you can never have too much of, IMO.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 10, 2020 7:11:27 GMT
I don't really have any advice, other than don't sink yourself into a hole with the idea that since you're in a hole, the only option is success. Don't invent everything you have into a dream career without trying it seriously as a part time gig. Not necessarily lessons I have learned first hand but what I have witnessed and been taught so far.
I'm in a similar place in my life, going through college. Guess I thought I would enjoy the prospect of a getting a good degree and getting a tenured position more appealing than it is to me.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 10, 2020 15:00:58 GMT
Hmmm, farming and trades, with a little heavy machinery experience... I'm not sure what it takes to get into John Deere, but they have travelling techs that go everywhere, highly paid, and see literally...the WORLD. Might be worth asking what they look for in an EE.
The other advice is good, general advice.
another field...tech. Depending on your $ requirements, theres always help desk jobs looking for folks who can be on time etc.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 10, 2020 16:10:10 GMT
I'm another voice recommending acive-duty military service. The benefits outweigh the annoying parts, though it doesn't always feel like it, but you will have opportunities you probably wouldn't otherwise have. I now work at one of the premier scientific research firms in the US, and most of my colleagues are also former military.
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Post by warriorpoet on Feb 10, 2020 16:39:23 GMT
Clearly the answer is to use your farm wages to see my own life long dream fulfilled -open a strip club / big cat emporium
Maybe with a drive through option for those limited traveling businessmen
Joking, just thought it was hilarious that someone else mentioned big cats and I have a long running joke with friends about this.
Honestly I bumbled around through life. I think for a lot of us work is work, you know? Try to get them good bennies and retirement, some day we are gonna wear out the body too much for a lot of manual labor.
I'm turning 36, and a couple years ago I started working for the state. I work with a lot of folks from various military branches. I think a state government job gives service credit.
Good benefits, job security, and the work is useful to society. There are a million possibilities in state work.
With your experience maybe you could work in forestry or land management.
Dude, your actual job title could be ranger.
Go on aragorn, put in the app!
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 10, 2020 17:00:01 GMT
So, I gotta be that guy and say that things have changed for the worse since the late '70s because of Neoliberal Economics. Thing is, unless you are VERY lucky (or more probable, born to a wealthy family. Yes, that's more probable than getting lucky unfortunately), you are not going to be financially secure. It absolutely sucks, but things like trades or the military are young folks like us's best bet now days. The old dream of a regular college degree, home, and multiple cars and kids isn't possible for most of us anymore. I'm in college right now chasing a STEM degree, and have funds for 18 more months, but if I don't keep my grades up and chase every possible scholarship or other forms of non-loan financial aid, I may end up having to withdraw and try something like a trade school or the military.
Keep in mind though, it's not your fault. It's the policy maker's fault for waging war on the middle and lower class.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 10, 2020 17:02:28 GMT
So, I gotta be that guy and say that things have changed for the worse since the late '70s because of Neoliberal Economics...... It's the policy maker's fault for waging war on the middle and lower class. Really? LMAO. Do you really think that the NeoLiberal economic trends could have been avoided with the rise of technology and the information age? You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM. The fact that history via technology and the globalism created by technology blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching and able to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by.
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 10, 2020 17:19:45 GMT
So, I gotta be that guy and say that things have changed for the worse since the late '70s because of Neoliberal Economics...... It's the policy maker's fault for waging war on the middle and lower class. Really? LMAO. You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM.The fact that history via technology and the globalism that technology created blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 10, 2020 17:36:11 GMT
Really? LMAO. You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM.The fact that history via technology and the globalism that technology created blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord. Dumbass? Really? What has happened is that because of technology and the resultant globalism it enabled, the smokestack economy was easily shipped offshore primarily due to pressures from environmental regulation and labor union wage pressures. What has /is replacing it is the 21st century economy of Al Gore and the democrats that is built on technology and intellectual property. If you dont have the education to participate/contribute to the new 21st century economy in those sectors, you are either serving those who do or you are in a job that will eventually be obsolete. We dont have a wealth gap in this country, we have an education gap. Without THE RIGHT education, the economy and the wealth it creates will pass you by. The same thing happened as the industrial revolution took hold. When your productivity is a function of education and the power ofy our mind, your rewards are no longer bound by the physical limitation s of your body and the 24 hr day....education, technology and the resulting intellectual property one acquires geometrically multiply/enhance your effectiveness and reward. If your a dumb ass, you will be on the outside looking in...
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 10, 2020 17:37:53 GMT
So, I gotta be that guy and say that things have changed for the worse since the late '70s because of Neoliberal Economics...... It's the policy maker's fault for waging war on the middle and lower class. Really? LMAO. Do you really think that the NeoLiberal economic trends could have been avoided with the rise of technology and the information age? You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM. The fact that history via technology and the globalism created by technology blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching and able to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. Why bother commenting publicly if you're not willing to provide proof publicly.
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 10, 2020 17:40:23 GMT
semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord. Dumbass? Really? What has happened is that because of technology and the resultant globalism it enabled, the smokestack economy was easily shipped offshore primarily due to pressures from environmental regulation and labor union wage pressures. What has /is replacing it is the 21st century economy of Al Gore and the democrats that is built on technology and intellectual property. If you dont have the education to participate/contribute to the new 21st century economy in those sectors, you are either serving those who do or you are in a job that will eventually be obsolete. We dont have a wealth gap in this country, we have an education gap. Without THE RIGHT education, the economy and the wealth it creates will pass you by. The same thing happened as the industrial revolution took hold. When your productivity is a function of education and the power ofy our mind, your rewards are no longer bound by the physical limitation s of your body and the 24 hr day....education, technology and the resulting intellectual property one acquires geometrically multiply/enhance your effectiveness and reward. If your a dumb ass, you will be on the outside looking in... You are flat out wrong. It's clear I won't change your mind though, and I've already said the facts, so there.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 10, 2020 17:40:42 GMT
Really? LMAO. Do you really think that the NeoLiberal economic trends could have been avoided with the rise of technology and the information age? You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM. The fact that history via technology and the globalism created by technology blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching and able to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. Why bother commenting publicly if you're not willing to provide proof publicly. Because that would continue the thread jacking that "that guy" (nerd of the north) has started and I do not want to continue.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 10, 2020 17:50:56 GMT
Drop the politics, and quit thread-crapping. MOK
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 10, 2020 17:56:29 GMT
Really? LMAO. You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM.The fact that history via technology and the globalism that technology created blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord. Drop the politics, and quit thread-crapping. MOK You forgot to mention something....I highlighted it for you as you missed it... maybe more training at moderators school??
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Post by MOK on Feb 10, 2020 17:59:39 GMT
Seriously, people, have just a little bit of chill!
Being right is NOT an excuse to be a jerk. And politics is indeed still off the table, because this is what happens when we get into it.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 10, 2020 18:04:58 GMT
semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord. Drop the politics, and quit thread-crapping. MOK You forgot to mention something....I highlighted it for you as you missed it... maybe more training at moderators school?? If I were a moderator, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The rules are spelled out very explicitly, certain members of this forum seem to believe that they get a personal exemption from following those rules.
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Post by MOK on Feb 10, 2020 18:09:00 GMT
Really? LMAO. You need to take some more HISTORY and ECONOMICS classes in between going to Bernie rallies. The economy here in America, while not perfect is the BEST one in the world. I wont bore you with all the economic proof of that but I am fully capable of doing so if you want to discuss it in another thread or by PM.The fact that history via technology and the globalism that technology created blindsided many people, companies and industries who were not watching to adjust accordingly is no the fault of the economy or the country. The lesson is to be a chess player in life, not checkers. With technology ever increasing the rate of change in the world, anything that chooses to stand still will be passed by. semprini you dumbass. The economy may have grown, but so has inflation, while wages for workers have stagnated since the late '70s. The economic growth has mostly gone into the top wage earners, not the workers who actually make the money for the company. The whole complex is broken and unfair. What you have in a standard company is a rough pyramid as far as job importance to the company goes, but the wages are an inverted pyramid. Simply put, the people least important to a company get payed the most because they are allowed to set the wages while the workers are not. What we need is a fair system where the workers have just as much input for wages as the executive bord. Lord Newport, you really need to dial that attitude down a notch or three. But also, nerdthenord, you don't get to cuss people out and call them names, regardless of how annoying they're being. I'm giving you a warning for the hostile behavior.
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Post by demented on Feb 10, 2020 18:11:46 GMT
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