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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:19:33 GMT
A shirasaya is made to store a blade, no to use for cutting. The tsuka is not made for use in tamashigiri. You shouldn't use that sword really. You are correct but when it is epoxied in I trust that.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:21:58 GMT
To elaborate a bit, AFAIK traditional shirasaya are unsafe because the bare wood doesn't give a good grip, and they aren't built to withstand actual use, either, so the dreaded helicopter of death is a distinct possibility. They're also typically of somewhat porous wood that can absorb and trap moisture from your hands and the cutting target, which can lead to unexpected corrosion. Which is why they epoxied this one
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:22:47 GMT
Zen & MOK, this was very confusing when I first started researching katanas. Learned it was for storage and supposed to be unfinished. Yet so many were lacquered. Finally figured out it was just marketing. And also learned very early on that you never cut with one. That’s one the benefits of doing research imo. Unless it is epoxied in which case it’s fine
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:24:17 GMT
Its also worth noting...the last review was in 2016; Aug 06, 2016 (3 out of 5)Beautiful sword Ive had this sword for a few days, the pin for the handle is glued in, the blade had print on it, the metal itself scratches with ease, the habaki come very loose after drawing it more than once or twice, over all its more of a show sword than battle ready, its beautiful, but also fragileYep he is right the metal does scratch but my habaki has stayed on and the glue is very very strong
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:26:42 GMT
the mounting of the linked sword is not truly a shirasaya. from the wood it's made of to how it was made, there are a lot of differences. for one, I believe shirasaya are glued with a rice paste that was meant to be able to be opened again. the furniture above has most definitely been glued with modern wood glue, and while maybe not the cleanest construction and application, it shouldn't break apart as easily as real shirasaya. there might also be less structural integrity to this mounting than a fully finished tsuka but I doubt it will be so easily broken with light cutting(or whatever target type it's rated for). true, it's probably less safe to handle than a proper tsuka with tsuba but I would think that depends more on the user and their training and skills or lack thereof. Exactly. My actual shirasaya that has a removable mekugi I would never swing.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:30:57 GMT
In the majority of cases (always exceptions), I respectfully disagree. I would also say that "getting through either, at least once" is NOT tameshigiri. The goal of tameshigiri is to have the tools and develop the skills and technique to CONSISTENTLY get thru your targets correctly. Sure a sharp enough sword with enough muscle behind it will get thru a mat but Wack-a-mole technique is NOT JSA tameshigiri. That said, I have never cut a water bottle or pool noodle but I have cut thousands of tatami mats. Early on for myself and most all my fellow students and competitors, it was difficult to correctly cut the mat using correct technique. You might find it enlightening to watch some videos of Tai Kai's and watch the Kyu ranks perform. Never said anything about tameshigiri, and the "at least once" comment was deliberately tongue-in-cheek. I've seen hundreds of videos of all ranks of JSA, plus HEMA, KSA, and randos slicing up (or trying) tatami and bamboo. One doesn't need special JSA training to develop the skills it takes to put a cheap sword through a medium target. Technique can be learned through experience alone; having a teacher may get there faster. I have neither the space nor funds to set up my own cutting stand etc, but I've seen plenty of guys here do just fine without formal training. You can get just as good or better than a JSA associate if you practices a ton.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 6, 2020 23:40:18 GMT
So I'm gonna be that guy for a minute...
Dude, you really need to start bundling your quotes into a single post. You just made multiple, consecutive posts, all quoting somebody different, but all saying the same thing. You can use multiple browser tabs to copy/paste multiple quotes into a single post and it makes it a lot easier for everybody else to follow.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Feb 6, 2020 23:48:29 GMT
So I'm gonna be that guy for a minute... Dude, you really need to start bundling your quotes into a single post. You just made multiple, consecutive posts, all quoting somebody different, but all saying the same thing. You can use multiple browser tabs to copy/paste multiple quotes into a single post and it makes it a lot easier for everybody else to follow. True didn’t rly think about it tho
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Post by MOK on Feb 6, 2020 23:56:58 GMT
You can also use the cog icon to "Select Post" on each post you want to quote, then click on "Reply" at the bottom of the thread to have them all quoted automatically in one post.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Feb 7, 2020 0:06:34 GMT
You can use multiple browser tabs to copy/paste multiple quotes into a single post and it makes it a lot easier for everybody else to follow. That's what I've been doing for a while, but then... You can also use the cog icon to "Select Post" on each post you want to quote, then click on "Reply" at the bottom of the thread to have them all quoted automatically in one post. ...thanks a lot MOK, makes things so much easier.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 7, 2020 0:14:49 GMT
Never said anything about tameshigiri, and the "at least once" comment was deliberately tongue-in-cheek... Technique can be learned through experience alone; Sorry its hard to pick up on "tongue in cheek" via the typed word and we can agree to disagree about in bold above.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 7, 2020 0:24:47 GMT
You can use multiple browser tabs to copy/paste multiple quotes into a single post and it makes it a lot easier for everybody else to follow. That's what I've been doing for a while, but then... You can also use the cog icon to "Select Post" on each post you want to quote, then click on "Reply" at the bottom of the thread to have them all quoted automatically in one post. ...thanks a lot MOK, makes things so much easier. Huh, neat. Doesn't seem to work on mobile, though. Never said anything about tameshigiri, and the "at least once" comment was deliberately tongue-in-cheek... Technique can be learned through experience alone; Sorry its hard to pick up on "tongue in cheek" via the typed word and we can agree to disagree about in bold above. Trial and error, especially error, are great teachers.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 7, 2020 0:28:03 GMT
Huh, neat. Doesn't seem to work on mobile, though. Sorry its hard to pick up on "tongue in cheek" via the typed word and we can agree to disagree about in bold above. Trial and error, especially error, are great teachers. And in all fairness, it can be very dangerous with tragic results too...
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 7, 2020 0:56:45 GMT
Huh, neat. Doesn't seem to work on mobile, though. Trial and error, especially error, are great teachers. And in all fairness, it can be very dangerous with tragic results too... It can. It doesn't have to be. Training accidents happen in proper dojo, too; they are not excluded from mistakes.
In all fairness, that is.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Feb 7, 2020 1:08:04 GMT
There are two reasons not to cut with the Shirasaya, right? The first is that the unwrapped grip can be slippery. This can be fixed with nothing but grip tape. The second is tang-to-grip integrity. This epoxied musha will PROBABLY be fine, but I only see one small pin in the grip...
I would drill at least two more holes through the grip and tang and epoxy two more brass pins in. The chance of failure as-is may be low while cutting bottles, but the consequences could be severe if the single pin breaks.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 7, 2020 1:12:29 GMT
And in all fairness, it can be very dangerous with tragic results too... It can. It doesn't have to be. Training accidents happen in proper dojo, too; they are not excluded from mistakes.
In all fairness, that is. As you say my Lord...I yield to your superior training and experience. PS: mistakes happen everywhere...some less tragic than others, dependent on many things.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 7, 2020 1:17:17 GMT
There are two reasons not to cut with the Shirasaya, right? The first is that the unwrapped grip can be slippery. This can be fixed with nothing but grip tape. The second is tang-to-grip integrity. This epoxied musha will PROBABLY be fine, but I only see one small pin in the grip... I would drill at least two more holes through the grip and tang and epoxy two more brass pins in. The chance of failure as-is may be low while cutting bottles, but the consequences could be severe if the single pin breaks. Two solid bamboo mekugi are considered the standard for practitioners cutting blades. Before each and every cutting session the mekugi are to be inspected and ensured secure.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 7, 2020 1:18:37 GMT
Haven't you all learned by now you can't tell the kid anything. You are wasting your time.
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Post by zabazagobo on Feb 7, 2020 1:21:25 GMT
WTF? Am i Reading anymore?
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Post by zabazagobo on Feb 7, 2020 1:21:46 GMT
Pardon, but huh?
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