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Post by calien on Jan 18, 2020 20:11:06 GMT
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Post by Lord Newport on Jan 18, 2020 22:04:17 GMT
Looks like a officers cavalry saber... maybe British
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Post by berntk on Jan 19, 2020 1:59:15 GMT
Heh, the double langets look french, the stepped steel/iron pommel looks british, the clip point looks... je ne sais quoi... . Nah, hopefully somebody more knowledgeable will chime in. Looks nice, at least at a distance, the grip seems to be of some age.
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Post by calien on Jan 19, 2020 3:26:40 GMT
Heh, the double langets look french, the stepped steel/iron pommel looks british, the clip point looks... je ne sais quoi... . Nah, hopefully somebody more knowledgeable will chime in. Looks nice, at least at a distance, the grip seems to be of some age. B haha yeah its all over the place and the grip needs some work, but the blade quality looks absolutely outstanding. For 700 USD i think it was a steal.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 19, 2020 10:10:12 GMT
Is there a makers mark somewhere? Solingen rose on the spine maybe? That is the problem with those Officers private jobs. Solingen stole styles from all over the place. The stepped pommel cap, the flat guillon and the style of the blade decoration say it's not French. The rest is French Empire I Hussar or Lancer inspired indeed. Deutsche Blankwaffen doesn't have something like this in the gallery as far as I can see: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/galerie/lange_seitenwaffen-1.htmlThe stepped pommel cap could point to Baden, though to me the blade decoration may point to something British. G of George? Or (G)ood luck finding this thing? It is a very nice sabre. Maybe you should look in the general direction of say a German make for a South German Officer. The guillon and the pommel cap could point to something German. Ask the fellows at Deutsche Blankwaffen: www.deutsches-blankwaffenforum.de/board.php?id=85&s=3cebd070207e16773a5db11812398b7cRun your questions through google translate. Why cannot you be happy with a ,,normal'' M1822 or something? Darn!
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Post by calien on Jan 19, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
Haha, sorry Ulhan these weird ones really do it for me. Also I did find evidence of the stepped pommel on French hussar swords, there is a nice sample on Les Sabres by Lhoste page 173, the auction house says it has no makers mark but if they list it as a WWI artillery sword then Im not really sure they know anything. I cant find any engravings that look similar though, after zooming in in one of the pictures I noticed a C and D underneath the G, not sure if that means anything. I just cant wait to get hands on, do you know of any professionals that can restore the grip, or do you recommend i leave it as is?
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Post by calien on Jan 19, 2020 15:11:29 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 20, 2020 9:24:58 GMT
It is a beauty. At least the auction house has made the effort to have all those excellent images made. The gild and blue panel looks very fresh. I cannot really pinpoint the style but I am going for the British taste here. The British architect and interior designer Adams had a great influence with his Classical inspired work, not only in Britain but also in the States and the Continent. See what you can find. It may point to a time frame. This style of panel design one does not see every day. Very classy and totally out of the usual French or German style book. The more I look at this sabre the more interesting it becomes.
Grip work. Maybe you should talk with Tom Nardi. He isn't cheap, but he delivers. Has a very good name. The sabre is worth the extra outlay. He can also fix the missing scabbard rings. Google ,,Tom Nardi restoration service''.
l'Hoste. Missed that one. Image 269. Doesn't make this sabre French though. The flat guillon is more in the German taste. My guess is, now I know it turned up in an Illinois auction, it may be a Solingen import by way of one of the American agents working for Solingen. That is stuff I don't know much about. Illinois had long been British, so the influence of British taste would be strong. Time for Edelweiss to have a look? The mixed style cues in my opinion point strongly to a Solingen source, with British export second. Don't think it was made in the US.
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Post by calien on Jan 20, 2020 17:58:43 GMT
It is a beauty. At least the auction house has made the effort to have all those excellent images made. The gild and blue panel looks very fresh. I cannot really pinpoint the style but I am going for the British taste here. The British architect and interior designer Adams had a great influence with his Classical inspired work, not only in Britain but also in the States and the Continent. See what you can find. It may point to a time frame. This style of panel design one does not see every day. Very classy and totally out of the usual French or German style book. The more I look at this sabre the more interesting it becomes. Grip work. Maybe you should talk with Tom Nardi. He isn't cheap, but he delivers. Has a very good name. The sabre is worth the extra outlay. He can also fix the missing scabbard rings. Google ,,Tom Nardi restoration service''. l'Hoste. Missed that one. Image 269. Doesn't make this sabre French though. The flat guillon is more in the German taste. My guess is, now I know it turned up in an Illinois auction, it may be a Solingen import by way of one of the American agents working for Solingen. That is stuff I don't know much about. Illinois had long been British, so the influence of British taste would be strong. Time for Edelweiss to have a look? The mixed style cues in my opinion point strongly to a Solingen source, with British export second. Don't think it was made in the US. Cheers. I dont know how I missed this, but the gilding is exactly the same as the Imperial guard just with different symbols, do you think it could have been done over after the war?
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 20, 2020 23:06:41 GMT
The design is about the same. The Classical inspired style lingered on for years after the French Empire and was universal. Does not make the sabre French.
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Post by calien on Feb 4, 2020 2:35:20 GMT
I just got a picture of the maker mark, the auction house was completely clueless! Gebruder Weyersberg, one of the most famous and long lasting sword makers dynasties. Now I just need to date it.
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Post by Uhlan on Feb 4, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
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Post by calien on Feb 5, 2020 1:07:13 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Feb 14, 2020 17:04:10 GMT
Here is a George III P1796 LC Officers sabre. It has a style of cassettes quite similar to your sabre. As one would expect it has the GR signature though.
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Post by calien on Apr 23, 2020 11:59:52 GMT
Ok so one thing is for sure, its not a one off. This identical one was sold in 1994 at auction as a Chasseur officers sword. So some unit out there must have been carrying these.
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Post by Uhlan on Apr 23, 2020 15:00:03 GMT
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Post by calien on Apr 23, 2020 16:27:06 GMT
Thats where I got this image from so far he has been the only one to comment though.
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Post by Uhlan on Apr 23, 2020 21:16:28 GMT
Isn't the Biblioteque Nationale the place where one could find info on regiments of Chasseurs. Maybe talk to Mr. Buigne of ,, Les Sabres'' fame. He knows all the ins and outs of French archives. He helped me a lot in the past and just now helped me tag one of my epee's. www.jjb-collection.com/You'll have to use Google translate as Mr. Buigne only speaks French. (He's from Paris you know... :) ) Cheers.
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Post by calien on Apr 24, 2020 15:11:52 GMT
Isn't the Biblioteque Nationale the place where one could find info on regiments of Chasseurs. Maybe talk to Mr. Buigne of ,, Les Sabres'' fame. He knows all the ins and outs of French archives. He helped me a lot in the past and just now helped me tag one of my epee's. www.jjb-collection.com/You'll have to use Google translate as Mr. Buigne only speaks French. (He's from Paris you know... ) Cheers. I think i figured it out Ulhan, its a sword from the Guarde D'Honneur officer of the Chasseur, they had to buy their own gear (because they where usually well off) the sun is a mark of royalty or nobility they where attached to the imperial guard (so they copied their style but couldnt use their symbols) and the two other samples seem to lead to the same conclusion. Here is another auction that lists it as such. auction.tajan.com/pdf/2004/4468.pdf (Number 204).
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Post by Uhlan on Apr 24, 2020 15:47:42 GMT
Sabre d'Officier des Chasseurs de la Garde Honneur if my rudimentary French is correct. Wow! Not entirely a one off but probably still very rare. Congratulations. And some good sleuthing there too. Now this one is in the bag, what are you after next? Any ideas?
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