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Post by dchisenh on Jan 6, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
Congratulations! In less than 48 hours you've managed to annoy the majority of the members who have offered advice to help you improve your review skills. I now have no interest in watching your videos since it is clear you lack the ability or desire to take criticism. I do not think he means to, he asked for advice and bit off more than he could chew. People here have very very strong opinions on certain sword matters and it can get ugly quick when 2 people disagree on here. The OP doesn’t agree with some people’s opinions which kinda set off a bombshell on both parties sides. At the end of the day no big deal imo. Agree to disagree. Maybe I've seen too many examples on forums where someone decides to post a review of an item right out of the gate, asks for criticism and then turns around and begins arguing with those who gave the very criticism the original poster professed to request. In those cases, after a few exchanges, it becomes clear the poster doesn't want criticism but instead wants affirmation. To me, this seemed to be following the same pattern.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 6, 2020 18:23:01 GMT
LOL. You asked for critique and I gave it. Simple. Look for skallagrim for reviews as an example. Your technique is actually very poor. Bouncing before cuts? WTF is that? Your footwork is all over the place and you are swinging that sword like a crowbar. I said enough on sharpening. Throw a fit??? LOLOL. Also never said you are a novice, just that your review and technique are crappy. You asked for opinions and those are my opinions. This isn't an anime or cartoon review,it is a sword review that you wanted critiqued. I critiqued it with my opinions nicely at first and then you questioned those with an argumentative intent and I responded with how I honestly feel about your review. I have said my last here. Edit: First link that came up for skallagrim videos Go to 5:00 and look at what he does lol. Skallagrim does good reviews, only thing about him is I feel like he has an ego to him. People who know lots about stuff and the history of it tend to get arrogant sometimes. He has ripped on people who know false info about katanas and such and it is kinda odd in my mind. Why rip on people who are new to something and don’t know what they are talking about? In the end what makes any one of us better than a newer sword hobbyist? We all had to learn and did not know at some point. Just dumb to rip on others or come across as a know it all. I won't speak to his popularity or presentation, but Skallagrim is not a subject matter expert when it comes to swords (and the like). He is an enthusiast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't always offer a well-informed opinion when it comes to history an/or technique. I think his channel is best used as a jumping off point for one's own research into such matters, and entertainment (if you enjoy his sense of humor).
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 6, 2020 18:51:10 GMT
I do not think he means to, he asked for advice and bit off more than he could chew. People here have very very strong opinions on certain sword matters and it can get ugly quick when 2 people disagree on here. The OP doesn’t agree with some people’s opinions which kinda set off a bombshell on both parties sides. At the end of the day no big deal imo. Agree to disagree. Maybe I've seen too many examples on forums where someone decides to post a review of an item right out of the gate, asks for criticism and then turns around and begins arguing with those who gave the very criticism the original poster professed to request. In those cases, after a few exchanges, it becomes clear the poster doesn't want criticism but instead wants affirmation. To me, this seemed to be following the same pattern.
I think he wants others to agree with his opinion on things and some just won’t. He needs to be cool with that though or change his opinion. Up to him.
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Post by pgandy on Jan 6, 2020 18:52:28 GMT
I think Hydra is close here. I’ve seen Skall get really off base talking about stuff he doesn’t know, other times informative. I no longer have an interest in him and only occasionally watch.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 6, 2020 18:57:51 GMT
Skallagrim does good reviews, only thing about him is I feel like he has an ego to him. People who know lots about stuff and the history of it tend to get arrogant sometimes. He has ripped on people who know false info about katanas and such and it is kinda odd in my mind. Why rip on people who are new to something and don’t know what they are talking about? In the end what makes any one of us better than a newer sword hobbyist? We all had to learn and did not know at some point. Just dumb to rip on others or come across as a know it all. I won't speak to his popularity or presentation, but Skallagrim is not a subject matter expert when it comes to swords (and the like). He is an enthusiast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't always offer a well-informed opinion when it comes to history an/or technique. I think his channel is best used as a jumping off point for one's own research into such matters, and entertainment (if you enjoy his sense of humor). I agree. I just can not find humor in ripping on a non informed person on a matter. Idk maybe that was just one I saw and that isn’t regular but still. The whole point of these forums and reviews is to inform each other and help each other and share things we all like, it is for the experts and the noobs.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 6, 2020 19:00:11 GMT
I think Hydra is close here. I’ve seen Skall get really off base talking about stuff he doesn’t know, other times informative. I no longer have an interest in him and only occasionally watch. If I want off topic, I will go watch a gaming channel lol
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Post by lioconvoy on Jan 6, 2020 20:41:46 GMT
My personal opinion on this whole matter is not what to change about your review, but to tell you to be ok with your review. You can ask for criticism, but if others do not like the review even if you feel it is accurate who cares? As long as you feel like you portrayed the sword accurately, then there is no problem in my mind. It's more than I'm looking to improve how I do these, as I'm still new to them. Info like brightness balancing/camera work/if I missed something someone wanted to see covered is generally what I'm looking for here. I'm not going to pretend that I'm a master, nor will I make claims about it. I do, however, have training. The issue I'm dealing with here is that I've had people tell me that my form is bad......but utterly fail to tell me how. 1. How can someone improve if they're not told exactly what they're doing wrong? 2. Making that claim, then providing no backup information is less that useless. Better to just keep scrolling. It's more that people seem to be less concerned about the technical aspect of the review itself, and instead want to harp on things that my reviews are counter to even doing by nature (not taking a company at their word/sharpening before use) and then when I explain where I'm coming from, they just tripled down. I'm under no obligation to just sit here and take that. Not gonna lie; I've been eyeballing that saber! Thanks for the recommendation! Then you're not paying attention. Clarifying my intent, and explaining where my values are is not the same as arguing. If you'll notice, I had no problem accepting proper critique. But if the extent of your "critique" is that I don't value the (frankly, asinine) things you do, then I'm going to dismiss it. The point of these reviews is to show people how these cut upon arrival. He should wrestle more.
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Post by pvsampson on Jan 7, 2020 0:56:25 GMT
Skallagrim does good reviews, only thing about him is I feel like he has an ego to him. People who know lots about stuff and the history of it tend to get arrogant sometimes. He has ripped on people who know false info about katanas and such and it is kinda odd in my mind. Why rip on people who are new to something and don’t know what they are talking about? In the end what makes any one of us better than a newer sword hobbyist? We all had to learn and did not know at some point. Just dumb to rip on others or come across as a know it all. I won't speak to his popularity or presentation, but Skallagrim is not a subject matter expert when it comes to swords (and the like). He is an enthusiast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't always offer a well-informed opinion when it comes to history an/or technique. I think his channel is best used as a jumping off point for one's own research into such matters, and entertainment (if you enjoy his sense of humor). Yet I did not allude to him being a subject matter expert. His videos,though,are the first that show when searching for sword reviews. He definitely does not know as much as some,but he does know way more than most,and hence his reviews are popular. He gets swords sent to him and he gets paid for the videos. Very few others,here or elsewhere do regarding the subject. I would take his advice first over anyone that uses a blunt sword for cutting.
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Post by lioconvoy on Jan 7, 2020 1:05:59 GMT
I won't speak to his popularity or presentation, but Skallagrim is not a subject matter expert when it comes to swords (and the like). He is an enthusiast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't always offer a well-informed opinion when it comes to history an/or technique. I think his channel is best used as a jumping off point for one's own research into such matters, and entertainment (if you enjoy his sense of humor). Yet I did not allude to him being a subject matter expert. His videos,though,are the first that show when searching for sword reviews. He definitely does not know as much as some,but he does know way more than most,and hence his reviews are popular. He gets swords sent to him and he gets paid for the videos. Very few others,here or elsewhere do regarding the subject. I would take his advice first over anyone that uses a blunt sword for cutting. Ok Boomer.
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Post by pvsampson on Jan 7, 2020 2:31:21 GMT
Yet I did not allude to him being a subject matter expert. His videos,though,are the first that show when searching for sword reviews. He definitely does not know as much as some,but he does know way more than most,and hence his reviews are popular. He gets swords sent to him and he gets paid for the videos. Very few others,here or elsewhere do regarding the subject. I would take his advice first over anyone that uses a blunt sword for cutting. Ok Boomer.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 7, 2020 6:01:03 GMT
I won't speak to his popularity or presentation, but Skallagrim is not a subject matter expert when it comes to swords (and the like). He is an enthusiast, and there is nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't always offer a well-informed opinion when it comes to history an/or technique. I think his channel is best used as a jumping off point for one's own research into such matters, and entertainment (if you enjoy his sense of humor). Yet I did not allude to him being a subject matter expert. His videos,though,are the first that show when searching for sword reviews. He definitely does not know as much as some,but he does know way more than most,and hence his reviews are popular. He gets swords sent to him and he gets paid for the videos. Very few others,here or elsewhere do regarding the subject. I would take his advice first over anyone that uses a blunt sword for cutting. Must be nice, getting swords sent to you and freaking PAID to review them. Like pewdiepie getting paid to sit on his rear and game. XD they have it made.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 7, 2020 6:01:29 GMT
Yet I did not allude to him being a subject matter expert. His videos,though,are the first that show when searching for sword reviews. He definitely does not know as much as some,but he does know way more than most,and hence his reviews are popular. He gets swords sent to him and he gets paid for the videos. Very few others,here or elsewhere do regarding the subject. I would take his advice first over anyone that uses a blunt sword for cutting. Ok Boomer. Oof
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 7, 2020 6:03:30 GMT
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Post by MOK on Jan 7, 2020 11:20:59 GMT
Must be nice, getting swords sent to you and freaking PAID to review them. Like pewdiepie getting paid to sit on his rear and game. XD they have it made. You'd think, yeah. Like being a taste tester at the candy factory, right? That ain't working, that's the way to do it - money for nothing and chicks for free! But it actually is real work, they way Skallagrim among others does it. You don't just play around with sweet toys and upload a clip - it doesn't all just happen by magic, you know? You have to not just write but script a review, read it out loud on camera (in many, many takes because regular human speech is 75% stalling and stammering that looks/sounds bad on record), shoot the live footage (usually in several takes to get one good one, except when that's actually impossible), edit all the audio and video together into an actual coherent whole (leaving anywhere from 50% to 100% of it on the proverbial cutting room floor), review your work for errors, flaws and potential copyright triggers and possibly start all over from scratch, finally upload the video, making sure to check all the right boxes and uncheck all the wrong ones, and start praying for views and no demonetization... and then you get to stress about marketing, networking, budgeting and all the other wonderful joys of barely sustainable self employment in the glamorous world of edutainment cottage industry! Wheeeeeeeeeee! And on top of the work itself, just dealing with YouTube's hostile black box managerial style is incredibly stressful in its own right; they punish you when you break their rules, when random other people break their rules, when random other people claim you're breaking somebody's rules, when they get caught for flagrantly breaking laws, when you're not popular enough, when you say or show anything their advertisers might or might not like, when they feel like it, when their algorithms feel like it, and they won't tell you anything including their actual rules and content guidelines... I know it's a bit tired to point out how when Google got really big they dropped their original slogan, "Don't Be Evil", but damn!TL;DR - It really is real work. (Screw Pewdiepie, though.)
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Post by pgandy on Jan 7, 2020 13:30:42 GMT
Once turning a hobby into a business takes the fun out of it. I've done it, I've seen it done.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 7, 2020 13:39:31 GMT
Must be nice, getting swords sent to you and freaking PAID to review them. Like pewdiepie getting paid to sit on his rear and game. XD they have it made. You'd think, yeah. Like being a taste tester at the candy factory, right? That ain't working, that's the way to do it - money for nothing and chicks for free! But it actually is real work, they way Skallagrim among others does it. You don't just play around with sweet toys and upload a clip - it doesn't all just happen by magic, you know? You have to not just write but script a review, read it out loud on camera (in many, many takes because regular human speech is 75% stalling and stammering that looks/sounds bad on record), shoot the live footage (usually in several takes to get one good one, except when that's actually impossible), edit all the audio and video together into an actual coherent whole (leaving anywhere from 50% to 100% of it on the proverbial cutting room floor), review your work for errors, flaws and potential copyright triggers and possibly start all over from scratch, finally upload the video, making sure to check all the right boxes and uncheck all the wrong ones, and start praying for views and no demonetization... and then you get to stress about marketing, networking, budgeting and all the other wonderful joys of barely sustainable self employment in the glamorous world of edutainment cottage industry! Wheeeeeeeeeee! And on top of the work itself, just dealing with YouTube's hostile black box managerial style is incredibly stressful in its own right; they punish you when you break their rules, when random other people break their rules, when random other people claim you're breaking somebody's rules, when they get caught for flagrantly breaking laws, when you're not popular enough, when you say or show anything their advertisers might or might not like, when they feel like it, when their algorithms feel like it, and they won't tell you anything including their actual rules and content guidelines... I know it's a bit tired to point out how when Google got really big they dropped their original slogan, "Don't Be Evil", but damn!TL;DR - It really is real work. (Screw Pewdiepie, though.) I agree that skall works. I meant more on a gamer scale, like I love jacksepticeye and gamegrumps and stuff but all they do is play, they pay someone else to edit their videos and cut out the stuff they can’t say on film.
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Post by reptaronice1 on Jan 7, 2020 13:42:13 GMT
Must be nice, getting swords sent to you and freaking PAID to review them. Like pewdiepie getting paid to sit on his rear and game. XD they have it made. You'd think, yeah. Like being a taste tester at the candy factory, right? That ain't working, that's the way to do it - money for nothing and chicks for free! But it actually is real work, they way Skallagrim among others does it. You don't just play around with sweet toys and upload a clip - it doesn't all just happen by magic, you know? You have to not just write but script a review, read it out loud on camera (in many, many takes because regular human speech is 75% stalling and stammering that looks/sounds bad on record), shoot the live footage (usually in several takes to get one good one, except when that's actually impossible), edit all the audio and video together into an actual coherent whole (leaving anywhere from 50% to 100% of it on the proverbial cutting room floor), review your work for errors, flaws and potential copyright triggers and possibly start all over from scratch, finally upload the video, making sure to check all the right boxes and uncheck all the wrong ones, and start praying for views and no demonetization... and then you get to stress about marketing, networking, budgeting and all the other wonderful joys of barely sustainable self employment in the glamorous world of edutainment cottage industry! Wheeeeeeeeeee! And on top of the work itself, just dealing with YouTube's hostile black box managerial style is incredibly stressful in its own right; they punish you when you break their rules, when random other people break their rules, when random other people claim you're breaking somebody's rules, when they get caught for flagrantly breaking laws, when you're not popular enough, when you say or show anything their advertisers might or might not like, when they feel like it, when their algorithms feel like it, and they won't tell you anything including their actual rules and content guidelines... I know it's a bit tired to point out how when Google got really big they dropped their original slogan, "Don't Be Evil", but damn!TL;DR - It really is real work. (Screw Pewdiepie, though.) I just feel like compared to a blue collar worker who does construction or something like that, making videos is a walk in the park compared to that. I have laid concrete for driveways and I can guarantee editing a video wouldn’t be as bad lol.
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Post by MOK on Jan 7, 2020 14:31:59 GMT
That's not a thing you can guarantee unless you've also edited videos for a living. I have literally shoveled manure and done bulk editing, and seriously couldn't say which I'd rather not do again. (For one thing, you can trust a good shovel...) On a more general note, actual studies on the subject consistently show that the main factor in how wearing and stressful any given job is ISN'T the type of work but job security, financial stability and workplace atmosphere. ( L'enfer, c'est les autres!) We all have a natural tendency to think things we know nothing about are simpler and easier than things we do know. Note that, as always, "natural" has no particular correlation with "good" or "healthy"... PS. Apologies for the derail!
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jan 7, 2020 15:01:07 GMT
I think being a pro Youtuber/podcaster would be incredibly stressful. Your livelihood requires you to constantly be creating new content and correctly predicting viewing trends. Most YouTubers do their own video/sound production, which is tedious time/labor intensive work.
I'd be perfectly happy to show up on someone else's channel/podcast, but I have no interest whatsoever in producing my own. It's just too much effort for a very small chance at success.
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Post by seth on Jan 7, 2020 16:08:24 GMT
Reminds me of the Cheers episode where Norm goast a job as a taster at a brewery. He still showed up at Cheers every night for a beer because work was so stressful.
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