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Post by demonskull on Dec 29, 2019 1:57:24 GMT
I disagree with the suggestion about opening a sub-forum for religious and political discussion. These subjects get heated because they are so close to the core of who we are that anything other than agreement with a statement/opinion means the individual becomes defensive. No one here should feel they need to defend their right to exist. That is not what we are here for.
SFI closed their pub due to the amount of time/effort their mods had to put in to administer to the discussions that arose. Not to knock on SFI, I was a regular and learned a lot from it's members and respect a good many of them, however that forum has declined a lot since I was a regular, in part due to flame wars in the pub.
Paul and the Mods are correct, this is a forum for sword folk. It is not here to make members uncomfortable because they feel they need to defend themselves against attacks on their political, moral or religious beliefs.
Scott had the right of it, if we avoid taking jabs at one another we can all have an enjoyable learning experience here. For those who will suggest we grow thicker skin, that hasn't proved doable. If it had there would be no need for a thread like this.
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Post by pvsampson on Dec 29, 2019 3:30:35 GMT
Unsure about a separate sub for politics or religion as there are plenty of places to go to do that. It is good to pretend that the members here are all decent without knowing their political and religious leanings. Part of the fun is figuring who the real mutts are through their general postings.
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Post by Lord Newport on Dec 29, 2019 3:56:47 GMT
I don't know if me chiming in here helps or hurts, but as a jackbooted thug moderator I would indeed be so chuffed if people would stop deliberately prodding and poking around the boundaries of the rules and our willingness and capacity for jackbooted thuggery enforcing them. None of us actually enjoy stamping on a human face forever warning people and locking threads. We know the mods don't enjoy stomping on faces. Sink the boot in elsewhere and you can enjoy the facial expression too! So who wants to talk about religion?Jesus is dead... All joking aside... keep politics and religion off the sword forum. If I want politics.. I can go to a gun forum where politics are impacting that community daily.
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2019 4:06:32 GMT
I disagree with the suggestion about opening a sub-forum for religious and political discussion. These subjects get heated because they are so close to the core of who we are that anything other than agreement with a statement/opinion means the individual becomes defensive. No one here should feel they need to defend their right to exist. That is not what we are here for. SFI closed their pub due to the amount of time/effort their mods had to put in to administer to the discussions that arose. Not to knock on SFI, I was a regular and learned a lot from it's members and respect a good many of them, however that forum has declined a lot since I was a regular, in part due to flame wars in the pub. Paul and the Mods are correct, this is a forum for sword folk. It is not here to make members uncomfortable because they feel they need to defend themselves against attacks on their political, moral or religious beliefs. Scott had the right of it, if we avoid taking jabs at one another we can all have an enjoyable learning experience here. For those who will suggest we grow thicker skin, that hasn't proved doable. If it had there would be no need for a thread like this. I think you're confusing me with someone else here, although I agree. SBG has the reputation as the friendliest sword forum, in part I think because politics and religion are kept off the forum. Let's keep it that way.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 29, 2019 6:31:01 GMT
Why we are at can we talk about sex, no pictures just sex.
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Post by pvsampson on Dec 29, 2019 7:01:37 GMT
Why we are at can we talk about sex, no pictures just sex. I remember sex. There are certain drawbacks to being single,especially as one ages and approaches ones use by date .
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Post by demonskull on Dec 29, 2019 10:36:40 GMT
I disagree with the suggestion about opening a sub-forum for religious and political discussion. These subjects get heated because they are so close to the core of who we are that anything other than agreement with a statement/opinion means the individual becomes defensive. No one here should feel they need to defend their right to exist. That is not what we are here for. SFI closed their pub due to the amount of time/effort their mods had to put in to administer to the discussions that arose. Not to knock on SFI, I was a regular and learned a lot from it's members and respect a good many of them, however that forum has declined a lot since I was a regular, in part due to flame wars in the pub. Paul and the Mods are correct, this is a forum for sword folk. It is not here to make members uncomfortable because they feel they need to defend themselves against attacks on their political, moral or religious beliefs. Scott had the right of it, if we avoid taking jabs at one another we can all have an enjoyable learning experience here. For those who will suggest we grow thicker skin, that hasn't proved doable. If it had there would be no need for a thread like this. I think you're confusing me with someone else here, although I agree. SBG has the reputation as the friendliest sword forum, in part I think because politics and religion are kept off the forum. Let's keep it that way. Sorry Scott, I thought you were the OP. I should have checked before posting.
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Post by Scott on Dec 29, 2019 12:47:49 GMT
I think you're confusing me with someone else here, although I agree. SBG has the reputation as the friendliest sword forum, in part I think because politics and religion are kept off the forum. Let's keep it that way. Sorry Scott, I thought you were the OP. I should have checked before posting. No worries, I just figured you should be giving the credit where it was due.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 29, 2019 14:48:45 GMT
Realistically it's imposable to keep politics and religion out of the posts on this forum. The best we can do is keep it under control. Someone just mentioned on another post that in his country you have to have a special permit and be a member of a club to own a sword (politics). Some talk about the high import taxes they have to pay to have a sword shipped to their country (politics). If I mention to them that in my country we don't have that and swords are reasonably priced here (politics). How can we talk about the Crusades without bringing in the subject of (religion) ? One person here called another member a " Trump supporter " because they disagreed on something that wasn't even politics related. That was way overboard. As long as the post wasn't deliberately started as a (political) or (religious) post that's what's important What we need to do is stop attacking someone just because we don't agree with them on something. I remember when we use to be called " the friendly sword forum ".
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 29, 2019 15:37:59 GMT
The biggest problem with keeping politics out of a sword forum is exactly that: there are so many different laws out there, with more coming all the time, that some level of political discussion is crucial to our shared hobby. It's important to understand that some of our long-time members may now be struggling with the hobby because new laws have made it difficult to enjoy.
Maybe a news article somewhere is painting us all in a bad light and we want to express our distaste.
Somehow, the biggest problem here isn't whether a topic is political or not, but whether our members are being civil or not. So much vitriol spilling over this forum lately. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, members turn to trash-talking each other as a means of disagreeing.
It's like there are no adults on a forum about things one has to be over 18 to buy in most places... Or is that law too political to mention here?
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Post by MOK on Dec 29, 2019 15:44:49 GMT
Indeed, and we've tended to give quite a lot of leeway in this regard as long as people stay civil about it and don't let it completely derail a thread.
Lately it seems we can't have a disagreement on even the mildest of topics without immediately descending to condescension, accusations and name calling. I'd assume it's more or less connected to, well, things getting increasingly fraught in general over the last few years... which is just another reason why it'd be nice if we could keep all those things mostly outside this forum! We all need places where we can relax and let our guard down a little without worrying about getting suckerpunched for it, you know? It'd be great if this could be such a place.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 29, 2019 15:54:51 GMT
@ Gunnar & randomnobody: True, but politics and religion are matters of debate where the tone tents to become uncivil. You can't avoid it completely anyway but only as a "short" side aspect it's easier to avoid flame wars. No thread was locked because of a little bit of politic or religious points but because of people starting high emotional debates about it.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 29, 2019 16:21:54 GMT
@ Gunnar & randomnobody: True, but politics and religion are matters of debate where the tone tents to become uncivil. But they oughtn't be, and needn't be, among intelligent folk. True, but it's those emotions, not the politics or religion, that are the problem. Either way, as the world should be coming together, with the always-improving internet bringing greater access to information and reducing the "distance" between people and places, it seems to be doing the opposite and breeding division among neighbors and former friends. Good thing I have popcorn.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 29, 2019 16:28:05 GMT
I think in general it's easier to try to avoid discussions about r & p than to avoid the emotions in such discussions. Both will happen anyway but that's what popcorn is made for!
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Post by MOK on Dec 29, 2019 16:49:50 GMT
@ Gunnar & randomnobody: True, but politics and religion are matters of debate where the tone tents to become uncivil. But they oughtn't be, and needn't be, among intelligent folk. IME, civility doesn't seem to have anything to do with intelligence. If you want some REAL venom and drama, get seriously into academics. (Or knitting, apparently. Or model trains.)
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 29, 2019 16:56:23 GMT
lol, true, and granted, but in an ideal world, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 17:53:08 GMT
Here are the guidelines for a venting political arena for Bladeforums ````````````````````
Welcome to the BladeForums.com polictical discussion area.
Politics is a touchy subject for everyone, so with that in mind, remember the rules of this site. We don't want bashing for bashing's sake, flame wars or any other tripe.
So with that in mind, try to follow these simple rules:
No Racism - Nobody wants to know what you think of the dirty Chinese, white-devils, or other minorities. Yes, raghead is a racist term you ignorant jackass.
Defend your position - If you post an article or make a statement, back it up with some commentary on what brought you to that. This isn't the Drudge Report. Posting a link or complete article without bothering to state your own position and why you think it is right or wrong will be viewed as a "link and run" and you'll get dinged for failing to follow the forum rules.
Use your ignore list - It's there for a reason. If you flame you'll get banned.
Don't cheerlead! - You are expected to provide content with your posting. Posts of "Yeah, you showed him!" or "Woohoo!" or the like contribute nothing to the discussion. Similarly, you are not allowed to go "Oh, it's just [Poster], he's retarded :rolleyes: :jerkit: "
USE THE REPORT BUTTON - If someone breaks the rules (flames, link & run, etc), REPORT THEM and they will be infracted. Note, criticism isn't flaming; if you report someone, and the post is not actually breaking the rules, you will get a suprise! (hint: breaking the rules infraction). In other words, don't hit the report button if you aren't sure.
More rules will be posted as needed.
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A section to vent in provides a relief valve. IMO, Demonskull's reply is both right and wrong. The SFI pub was trimmed for server space and then eliminated entirely. I was one of the green room meanies adding to the vote for complete removal of the SFI pub. Blade Forums has more sub sections than anyone, myArmoury and Viking Sword have very few subs and do include a somewhat off topic room but with limited scopes of participation.
SBG does still hope to be the "Friendliest". What it still offers since inception is the pack mentality. Although the participant list of the pack has changed, the attitude still remains. "We're the best and friendliest dammit!"
There is a fair amount of topical and rational discussion here and the cafe the only real outlet for off topic or tummy rubbing feel good discussion. Would SBG survive without it? Or with a much reduced (ala myArmoury)..
Jon Frances and others have been around various boards for a long, long time. A simple call for at least comprehending a moderator's request and stfu is not out of line.
At the same time, better defining a threshold might be simplified by simply removing the cafe entirely, aside from a welcome wagon. Replace it with gated "thought experiment" Political and a sempriniing boards with disclaimer waivers.
Cheers GC
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