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Post by Cosmoline on Dec 20, 2019 0:42:42 GMT
There was no pleasing the hard core "MRA" crowd. They exist to complain about women. They have a lot in common with the faction of second wave feminists who exist to complain about men. Maybe they should just get together and leave the rest of us in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 1:25:54 GMT
I get my star wars fix from mandalorian. Not quite like the classic star wars in every way, but it's cool as hell. I would never have guessed that you like that show. [br Yea it's kind of a secret. I usually don't share it
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Post by howler on Nov 12, 2021 22:47:31 GMT
Just watched. Not bad at all (first two prequels being rather poor, in my opinion), I think in top half of the eleven movies (including Rogue One & Solo). Could have been better, but then again could have been far worse, what with no real way to tie up all the loose ends and satisfy all the fans. If it were up to me I'd have had Luke the main character of all the sequels (7-9) til the bloody end (last man/woman standing)...I mean "The Rise Of Skywalker", but that's me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 19:30:04 GMT
The original star wars were like old Westerns mixed with samurai movies, (which westerns were inspired by). But the new ones were like Disney princess movies. Like a Disney princess movie taking place in the star wars universe. So I can see why the people who liked it, liked it, but I feel like it was too far off from what I enjoyed about star wars
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Post by nddave on Nov 16, 2021 16:17:30 GMT
The original star wars were like old Westerns mixed with samurai movies, (which westerns were inspired by). But the new ones were like Disney princess movies. Like a Disney princess movie taking place in the star wars universe. So I can see why the people who liked it, liked it, but I feel like it was too far off from what I enjoyed about star wars True the original Star Wars was heavily influenced by the core genres popular at the time. It kinda makes George Lucas seem more plagiaristic even though he's credited for making something original. He basically took the space/sci-fi, western and samurai genres and made them into something of itself. I'd argue though that westerns more influenced Samurai movies as they had been around much longer cinematicly. Sure in the 60s we saw Sergio Leoni take direct influence from Akira Kurosawa but in truth one of Kurosawa's main influences was John Ford who made John Wayne a star. You can also look at the melodramatic storytelling of Ronin popular in samurai cinema as directly influenced by the wandering gunslinger of the western genre. In westerns and western culture the wandering lone hero has always been a romantic protagonist, even in the middle ages we have stories such as Robin Hood and St. George and other wandering chivalrous knights protecting the innocent and smiting evil. The western hero is blatantly a homage to such stories of old. With the Samurai there were stricter laws and expectations to what made a Samurai honorable. An honorable samurai would be one who held his code and served his lord without hesitation. This was the hero Japan. A wandering loner would be considered a poor choice for a hero in traditional Japanese literature. Definitely not a Ronin who was dishonored and far from what would be deemed a hero So when we get to the 20th century and cinema we see the popularity of the Lone hero type become famous especially in regards to westerns. We then see Japanese cinema focus similarly to their past stories with Samurai movies. But for some reason we start to see the Ronin become the romantic hero rather than the evil or belittled outcast. Why? Western movie influences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 22:46:55 GMT
The original star wars were like old Westerns mixed with samurai movies, (which westerns were inspired by). But the new ones were like Disney princess movies. Like a Disney princess movie taking place in the star wars universe. So I can see why the people who liked it, liked it, but I feel like it was too far off from what I enjoyed about star wars True the original Star Wars was heavily influenced by the core genres popular at the time. It kinda makes George Lucas seem more plagiaristic even though he's credited for making something original. He basically took the space/sci-fi, western and samurai genres and made them into something of itself. I'd argue though that westerns more influenced Samurai movies as they had been around much longer cinematicly. Sure in the 60s we saw Sergio Leoni take direct influence from Akira Kurosawa but in truth one of Kurosawa's main influences was John Ford who made John Wayne a star. You can also look at the melodramatic storytelling of Ronin popular in samurai cinema as directly influenced by the wandering gunslinger of the western genre. In westerns and western culture the wandering lone hero has always been a romantic protagonist, even in the middle ages we have stories such as Robin Hood and St. George and other wandering chivalrous knights protecting the innocent and smiting evil. The western hero is blatantly a homage to such stories of old. With the Samurai there were stricter laws and expectations to what made a Samurai honorable. An honorable samurai would be one who held his code and served his lord without hesitation. This was the hero Japan. A wandering loner would be considered a poor choice for a hero in traditional Japanese literature. Definitely not a Ronin who was dishonored and far from what would be deemed a hero So when we get to the 20th century and cinema we see the popularity of the Lone hero type become famous especially in regards to westerns. We then see Japanese cinema focus similarly to their past stories with Samurai movies. But for some reason we start to see the Ronin become the romantic hero rather than the evil or belittled outcast. Why? Western movie influences. Thanks for sharing. I never considered that before. I agree when you put it that way, I kinda just heard the phrase once and left it at face value.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 17, 2021 2:55:00 GMT
I watched ROS again the other day to see if I would like it better the second time, but nope - it's still a steaming pile of poo.
Modern movies just lack the basics of storytelling. They compensate with a saturation of CGI action that distracts the viewer from the fact that nothing much is really going on.
The old Samurai and Westerns told a story - the viewers were invested in the characters, not so much the action. In those movies the situations and characters were resolved through action, not shaped and defined by it.
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Post by treeslicer on Nov 17, 2021 17:01:16 GMT
They made more movies after ROTJ?
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Post by RufusScorpius on Nov 18, 2021 1:23:05 GMT
They made more movies after ROTJ? Thats a big "nope", nothing follows ROTJ.
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Post by nddave on Nov 18, 2021 9:11:17 GMT
True the original Star Wars was heavily influenced by the core genres popular at the time. It kinda makes George Lucas seem more plagiaristic even though he's credited for making something original. He basically took the space/sci-fi, western and samurai genres and made them into something of itself. I'd argue though that westerns more influenced Samurai movies as they had been around much longer cinematicly. Sure in the 60s we saw Sergio Leoni take direct influence from Akira Kurosawa but in truth one of Kurosawa's main influences was John Ford who made John Wayne a star. You can also look at the melodramatic storytelling of Ronin popular in samurai cinema as directly influenced by the wandering gunslinger of the western genre. In westerns and western culture the wandering lone hero has always been a romantic protagonist, even in the middle ages we have stories such as Robin Hood and St. George and other wandering chivalrous knights protecting the innocent and smiting evil. The western hero is blatantly a homage to such stories of old. With the Samurai there were stricter laws and expectations to what made a Samurai honorable. An honorable samurai would be one who held his code and served his lord without hesitation. This was the hero Japan. A wandering loner would be considered a poor choice for a hero in traditional Japanese literature. Definitely not a Ronin who was dishonored and far from what would be deemed a hero So when we get to the 20th century and cinema we see the popularity of the Lone hero type become famous especially in regards to westerns. We then see Japanese cinema focus similarly to their past stories with Samurai movies. But for some reason we start to see the Ronin become the romantic hero rather than the evil or belittled outcast. Why? Western movie influences. Thanks for sharing. I never considered that before. I agree when you put it that way, I kinda just heard the phrase once and left it at face value. Yea a lot of that had to do with Sergio Leoni adapting Seven Samurai into the Magnificent Seven and a few others. You should check out the film East meets West starring Hiroyuki Sanada. It's literally about a Samurai who ventures to the Wild West.
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