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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 3:30:13 GMT
thanks jordan. i'll look around
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 4:14:27 GMT
thanks jordan. i'll look around If you see one you like and have questions about, feel free to shoot me a PM.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 13, 2019 5:25:41 GMT
i just prefer things made specifically to kill. This rules out lots of swords. Things like smallswords are made, IMO, more for winning duels. Killing with them was an accepted risk, but did carry the possibility of severe punishment. Non-cavalry officer's swords are made as badges of rank, and are often lighter and flimsier than ideal for fighting. ideally, i need a very nimble sabre that is not in great demand by collectors. Look for brass-hilted members of the 1796LC family. As they're not the classic Napoleonic type, they less collected and cheaper. I bought the top sword below cheaper than I could buy a good 1796LC repro for: It probably British yeomanry or American, and very nimble for a cavalry sabre. 780g, POB 16.5cm/6.5", thickness 10mm/4.5mm/1.3mm The bottom sword is a Russian or Soviet military Cossack shashka, 1881 model or a later descendant. Also agile, and also cheap. 700g, POB 11cm/4.5", thickness 5.6mm/4.8mm/2.1mm If you're happy with something short, something like this (which some people will still classify as a sabre): can be good. Being short helps it be nimble, but this is an all-round excellent weapon. Very comfortable and secure grip, nice balance and weight. Cuts very well, and stabs very well too (as I found at at the cost of some blood). 563g, POB 8.5cm/3.4", thickness 9.5mm/6.7mm/3.7mm This, while not a sabre: handles beautifully, and appears to have been used in battle. At least, it has was appears to be battle damage (a fairly deep cut on one flat). Sanmei (three-plate) or inserted-edge construction, an old-school battle weapon. 644g, POB 12cm/4.75", thickness 13mm/3.8mm/2.1mm Antiques can be cheaper than repros (well, not always cheaper than cheap Deepeeka stuff (which can make Windlass look great)). The problem is that it's difficult to judge handling from photos alone. If you have a chance to get to arms shows/fairs that have swords, go and handle what you can.
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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 5:49:41 GMT
thanks jordan.. i don't want to be ripped off again. windlass did that. i think i need a 30'' infantry sabre.
i do like that 1796 thing but i don't know what LC means.
pgandy, i dispute the koa numbers. i'll look around for a measure, as my eyes tell me the distal taper is not what they say. timo, you showed a machete that is certainly a weapon. but that's modern. i bet there's no such thing as a dedicated weapon machete before now, right? the cool thing about my condor sheath is that i can slide it on the left side of my gun belt. i'm trying to figure a way to get a pic of me wearing a sword n revolver at the same time.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 6:38:28 GMT
i just prefer things made specifically to kill. Non-cavalry officer's swords are made as badges of rank, and are often lighter and flimsier than ideal for fighting. Well, qualify badge of rank? Cavalry Officer sabre would seem to fall into this category as it is a sword made specially to show that the bearer is an officer. Piquet weight, or higher officers swords are more accurately felled into the badge of rank only category. A ton of service sharp examples of say, British infantry officer and NCO swords up to the first world war, and similar for any nation engaged in colonial wars. As well as this, this American infantry officer sabres like the 1850, non reg styles, and 1840 NCO are all usually quite robust swords. My 1850 by Ames weighed in at 1 pound 15 ounces for example. A little bit of a large generalization to say that an officer sword made for any non cav officer is usually flimsy.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 6:39:48 GMT
thanks jordan.. i don't want to be ripped off again. windlass did that. i think i need a 30'' infantry sabre.
i do like that 1796 thing but i don't know what LC means.
pgandy, i dispute the koa numbers. i'll look around for a measure, as my eyes tell me the distal taper is not what they say. timo, you showed a machete that is certainly a weapon. but that's modern. i bet there's no such thing as a dedicated weapon machete before now, right? the cool thing about my condor sheath is that i can slide it on the left side of my gun belt. i'm trying to figure a way to get a pic of me wearing a sword n revolver at the same time. LC = light cavalry. Most of the made in India swords don't satisfy based on what you pay.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 13, 2019 6:40:21 GMT
timo, you showed a machete that is certainly a weapon. but that's modern. i bet there's no such thing as a dedicated weapon machete before now, right? Late 19th century. Which is, as far as edged weapons go, fairly modern. But I'd call it "before now".
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 6:41:35 GMT
Spain fielded a machete sword at one point for their colonial officers. I think they are called reglamentario.
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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 6:44:30 GMT
ok, late 19th is real.
lots of new stuff i see is pretend. i figure late 19th n before are real weapons. reproductions aren't.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 6:46:25 GMT
ok, late 19th is real. lots of new stuff i see is pretend. i figure late 19th n before are real weapons. reproductions aren't. Usually the cut off for fighting swords is about WW1. After that they are all pretty much dress swords and ornamentation even if the same form as fighting swords. But there is a general trend to get somewhat lighter in some patterns and styles.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 13, 2019 6:50:06 GMT
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 13, 2019 6:56:24 GMT
A little bit of a large generalization to say that an officer sword made for any non cav officer is usually flimsy. "Often", not "usually". The infantry officer's job is not to fight the enemy hand-to-hand, but to lead his men. There's little to keep such swords "honest". British ones are usually combat-capable, perhaps due to colonial duties of the British Army. A duelling culture can mean that the sword is designed for fighting, but not killing. Anyway, while it's possible to find effective infantry officer's swords, it's also easy enough to find ineffective ones.
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Post by MOK on Dec 13, 2019 7:25:37 GMT
the cool thing about my condor sheath is that i can slide it on the left side of my gun belt. i'm trying to figure a way to get a pic of me wearing a sword n revolver at the same time. Well, that's how swords were usually worn. Works very nicely opposite to a pistol, indeed, which is exactly what most officers and other pistol packing people did back in the days when people used both swords and pistols. It's what the Sam Browne belt is for, too.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 13, 2019 13:27:22 GMT
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Post by MOK on Dec 13, 2019 14:54:53 GMT
Incidentally, I was going to recommend the Russian M1881, too. Any variant, including the functionally identical Persian model of 1909, although personally I'm most fond of the standard Russian model with the knucklebow and wooden scabbard. If you can find one in good condition for an acceptable price, I'm fairly sure you'd like it. They're just lovely in every way, IMO. (There are a number of reproductions available, too, but they're all awfully inaccurate.)
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Post by pgandy on Dec 13, 2019 17:55:21 GMT
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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 18:55:36 GMT
tthaqnks tons for all the info, especially for the cites. i would never have found that stuff without you pointing the way.
i need to find swords without great historical importance. i intend to sharpen it n use it for cutting. i wouldn't do that to an actual relic.
i now have no choice but to become an expert swordswoman.
for months i've been plagued with terrible back pain upon arousing. the pain is great until i walk it off.
if i wack weeds for 15 minutes, i wake the next day with no pain.
sword play works better than narcotics in the morn.
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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 19:05:26 GMT
my gap is worse than that. no pride in the work. the hilt should have been rejected before it ever came near a blade. this could be easily fixed without adding much cost to a sword.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 13, 2019 19:08:18 GMT
I had some back pain in the morning too. I've read a trick and made the foot end of the bed ca. 3 - 4" higher, first with old books under the bed, later with an adjustable slatted frame. Did help me, perhaps worth a trial with old books or wooden blocks.
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Post by susieqz on Dec 13, 2019 19:18:14 GMT
thannks, and. i sure have plenty oof books around here.
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