Zen_Hydra
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 11, 2019 21:16:30 GMT
We should consider replacing The Statue of Liberty with this. Beautiful, what is the name of that sculpture? I think the French would take offense if we removed their gift to us, a symbol proclaiming "I lift my lamp to thee". The name of that sculpture is the punchline to my joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 0:06:17 GMT
Should replace it with the one of venus that shows butt
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 0:13:55 GMT
A talented modern sculptor reflecting a self portrait.
Formula One is a motorsport that has been gathering for other's anthems for some years now before he race. The winning driver is also recognized with his birth country's anthem, followed by the manufacturer's home country.
Similarly, motorsports in general acknowledge the host's anthem.
Cheers GC
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 12, 2019 3:08:46 GMT
We should consider replacing The Statue of Liberty with this. 😆
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Post by wlewisiii on Dec 14, 2019 23:20:52 GMT
SSgt Tim Chambers stands and salutes for hours every Memorial Day while over paid sports figures can't stand for a few minutes. Tell me who the hero's are. The ones protesting the murder of innocents.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 15, 2019 1:53:39 GMT
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Post by howler on Dec 15, 2019 2:33:59 GMT
The one protesting for higher pay. And before anyone tries to defender her, yes the women's team get less money than the men's team. That's because their pay is partly based on a percentage of what the team takes in in ticket sales. The women's team get a higher percentage than the men do but has a lot lower attendance than the men's team bring in. That's like in an assembly line job if Jonny puts out 50 units a day but Susy only puts of 25 units than Jonny gets paid more. I'm not saying there isn't some situations where women get the short end of the stick but not here. This guy didn't get paid anywhere near what these sport figures get paid and I'll bet he never took a knee. So that's it for me on this subject, if any of you want to continue have fun. A few years back the U.S. women's national team was blown off the field by a middle school team of 14 year old boys. Put the world champ men's team against them and the game would be called 50-0 by halftime...and the PAYING public knows this.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Dec 15, 2019 3:10:00 GMT
Without getting too political, the reason why I am proud of being American is America is an idea. We don’t always live up to it, but we are founded on the ideas of liberty and equality at a time when literally every other western nation espoused the idea that the government was chosen by god and that “lesser” people should absolutely obey nobles. America is more than just a single nation or government, it’s a global idea that is the ultimate product of the enlightenment, which itself was the greatest thought revolution in the entire history of mankind. Hopefully that’s not too political. You've heard of Cromwell, right? He even had a sword. I think that Spartacus had one, too. Not that America's war for independence wasn't special... Just that it's only special because it worked out so well for us, not because it's unique. Didn't work for Tiradentes. Did it work for France? I haven't heard from them lately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 3:23:23 GMT
"You've heard of Cromwell, right?"
Yes, and hardly one I would enlist in discussion regarding independence and equality.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Dec 15, 2019 5:06:50 GMT
Not an egalitarian, but a rejecter of the king's divine right to rule.
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Post by Cosmoline on Dec 16, 2019 18:18:14 GMT
Pride in your country has nothing to do with politics. But that's your opinion and you are entitled to it and I'm sure if the administrators feel the same they will take it down. OK, here's my take. For a subset of people in the US, tough guys on motorcycles are as American as apple pie. For me, they're a reminder of people I've lost to those things. And pretty scary to boot. I am absolutely, positively NOT interested in celebrating a vehicle that left a raft of my nephews and nieces fatherless at a young age. Nor am I interested in celebrating a subculture that roars along the roads in some warped expression of "pride." What's left after the impact doesn't make anyone proud. I get that biker culture evolved after WWII by disaffected vets, and that it has gone through a strange trip to the left and right politically. But don't ask me to associate motorcycles with the flag or patriotism.
As far as taking a knee, it takes a lot of courage to do it. And we were never supposed to be a nation that kowtows to objects. The flag represents the right to protest the flag, above all else. But beyond that, why the heck did anyone think having anthems and salutes at football games was a good idea anyway? It's a ridiculous game.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 16, 2019 18:28:39 GMT
Call it what you like but I think it's pretty disrespectful to use a photo of a funeral service for a dumb internet argument.
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Post by howler on Dec 16, 2019 19:38:49 GMT
The main takeaway for me was the soldier saluting. I don't care about who the people were who were moved by the gesture so long as they were moved.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 20:07:46 GMT
Pride in your country has nothing to do with politics. But that's your opinion and you are entitled to it and I'm sure if the administrators feel the same they will take it down. OK, here's my take. For a subset of people in the US, tough guys on motorcycles are as American as apple pie. For me, they're a reminder of people I've lost to those things. And pretty scary to boot. I am absolutely, positively NOT interested in celebrating a vehicle that left a raft of my nephews and nieces fatherless at a young age. Nor am I interested in celebrating a subculture that roars along the roads in some warped expression of "pride." What's left after the impact doesn't make anyone proud. I get that biker culture evolved after WWII by disaffected vets, and that it has gone through a strange trip to the left and right politically. But don't ask me to associate motorcycles with the flag or patriotism.
As far as taking a knee, it takes a lot of courage to do it. And we were never supposed to be a nation that kowtows to objects. The flag represents the right to protest the flag, above all else. But beyond that, why the heck did anyone think having anthems and salutes at football games was a good idea anyway? It's a ridiculous game.
Yea I'm gonna agree with that. If politics aren't wanted in football, they already broke that idea by adding the anthem
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 17, 2019 16:03:04 GMT
The main takeaway for me was the soldier saluting. I don't care about who the people were who were moved by the gesture so long as they were moved. EXACTLY Howler.
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Post by wlewisiii on Dec 17, 2019 16:28:41 GMT
Fake patriotism is easier than real honor. Death is lighter than a feather; duty heavier than a mountain. That knee is a man's duty.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 17, 2019 16:44:30 GMT
Pride in your country has nothing to do with politics. But that's your opinion and you are entitled to it and I'm sure if the administrators feel the same they will take it down. OK, here's my take. For a subset of people in the US, tough guys on motorcycles are as American as apple pie. For me, they're a reminder of people I've lost to those things. And pretty scary to boot. I am absolutely, positively NOT interested in celebrating a vehicle that left a raft of my nephews and nieces fatherless at a young age. Nor am I interested in celebrating a subculture that roars along the roads in some warped expression of "pride." What's left after the impact doesn't make anyone proud. I get that biker culture evolved after WWII by disaffected vets, and that it has gone through a strange trip to the left and right politically. But don't ask me to associate motorcycles with the flag or patriotism.
As far as taking a knee, it takes a lot of courage to do it. And we were never supposed to be a nation that kowtows to objects. The flag represents the right to protest the flag, above all else. But beyond that, why the heck did anyone think having anthems and salutes at football games was a good idea anyway? It's a ridiculous game.
Cosmoline you're talking about a very small percentage of the whole picture "1%ers". What about the bikers who show up for Toys for Tots every year with tons of toys. The Motorcycles they auction off for charity. The Patriot Guard who rides with funeral possession of solders who died in war to keep the fanatical protesters away from the family. They will actually tell the parents that their son is in hell because of what he did. What about all the Law Enforcement, Military, Firefighter and Christian Motorcycle clubs just to name a few. You have to stop watching Sons of Anarchy and Hollywood Hells Angles movies. Unless you're part of it you probably don't see it. The anthem at games came from a time when patriotism wasn't a dirty word. When you recited the National Anthem every morning in school. Now I'll bet 90% of the kids don't even know the words. What can I say, I'm Old School.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 17, 2019 17:45:59 GMT
"In 2013, motorcyclists accounted for 14 percent of all traffic fatalities, 4 percent of all people injured, 18 percent of all occupants (driver and passenger) fatalities, and 4 percent of all occupants injured"
Via crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov
""Very small percentage "1%""
14>1
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Post by Cosmoline on Dec 17, 2019 17:53:38 GMT
I think Wolfgard was talking about the "1%" criminal component of bikers. But I was talking about motorcycles as death traps that killed my cousin among other people I've known. I don't have much love for them as a transportation device. The biker subcultures are another matter. Harley riders have their own costumes and style, which is fine by me. I just don't see much reason to celebrate machines that end up killing and paralyzing so many fathers. Nor do I see any good reason to link them with vets and patriotism year after year--that only encourages more people to ride them. From WWII through the 70's vets would ride motorcycles because they were cheap. Now they cost way more than cars and are something of a status symbol. The reality of homeless vet poverty has turned into a strange fashion style of leather, tattoos and scowls. Most of these folks are great, but they're in a death embrace on those things.
The saluting Marine is great. His message is simple and apolitical. I can't say the same about the folks who use "pride" as an attack on anyone who disagrees with them politically.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 17, 2019 17:59:13 GMT
That's probably true Jordan, so stop running into people on Motorcycles and killing them. When I'm talking bikers I'm not talking about the young ones on crotch rockets who think the highways and streets are their stunt track. Stop lumping us all into one group. That's like saying all Muslims are terrorist, all men are rapists or all politicians are crocked. Okay maybe not the last one.
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