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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 17, 2019 0:00:56 GMT
So, I'm thinking of getting a modern firearm sometime in the next few months, and if I do get around to actually getting one it will likely be a Del-Ton Sport Mod 2 AR-15. I've shot one at my local gun store/range several times and it has run absolutely flawlessly. It is a solid, reliable rifle that can be customized to Hel and back pretty easily. Some folks may not like the 1/9 twist rate pencil barrel without M4 feed ramps but I have never had or heard of anyone having any issues in practice. The best part is I can get one from my local shop for less than $500. Normally budget and gun don't go together but they really do this time. www.del-ton.com/DT-Sport-Mod-2-p/dtsport-m2.htm
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 17, 2019 2:08:07 GMT
I think half the fun of an AR is assembling the whole thing with parts of your choosing on a stripped lower, so consider trying that.
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 17, 2019 2:22:52 GMT
I think half the fun of an AR is assembling the whole thing with parts of your choosing on a stripped lower, so consider trying that. I've thought of it. If i was going to put one together I would make a modernized Mk12 type SPR. Replace the handguard and gas block with a 15" M-lok handguard and Low Profile gas block, put flip up BUIS on it, and swap out the A2 grip and stock with Magpul MOE gear. Maybe if I have the budget put a SSA trigger pack in it.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 17, 2019 4:26:18 GMT
See, you've already got plans. Make it happen. Much more satisfying to make it how you want it.
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Post by tensho on Nov 19, 2019 0:59:02 GMT
Build your own, you will be much happier. You can get much better parts for a little bit more. Especially if you plan on building an SPR. You don't want a light weight pencil barrel for that if you plan on shooting groups.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 4:03:50 GMT
Yeah don't build your own or buy a del-ton if you can help it. Unless your just getting a upper and lower. I am a certified gunsmith and have a trust for class III with a SBR, I have been in this industry since I was 12(actually IN it, not an "enthusiast"). (I'm not trying to brag, just stating experience) and shooting something on a range doesn't mean anything about the firearm your shooting. Another thing, ANY magazine-fed 30 round, intermediate caliber, type firearm under 500 is garbage. These are your AR's, AK's, whatever, unless its specifically a gimmick. Anything under 500 is NOT solid, reliable, or anything close to that. I have no idea where you heard that from, unless its the sales person trying to sell you crap (which is unfortunately very common). I don't mean any offense or to ruin anything but it is the truth. Now for my advice, if that is really your budget, you have to save up some more. I PROMISE you will be happier and actually have a solid gun if you do. The best gun for your money below $900 (and really the only gun right now) is a WASR-10 they sell online (which is where you will get the most bang for your buck 99% of the time) at about $750. And they are VERY good for the money nowadays. On top of that you want to get 6 SGM tactical ak mag's (unless you can find good surplus for cheaper). And 300 rounds (210 to familiarize yourself with it, the other 90 to keep loaded in case of an emergency). Total that is about $950, and that is really the cheapest you can go if you want something solid. PM me if you want to know more. And again, I hate to give bad news, but it's really the truth.
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Post by nerdthenord on Nov 21, 2019 14:51:58 GMT
Yeah don't build your own or buy a del-ton if you can help it. Unless your just getting a upper and lower. I am a certified gunsmith and have a trust for class III with a SBR, I have been in this industry since I was 12(actually IN it, not an "enthusiast"). (I'm not trying to brag, just stating experience) and shooting something on a range doesn't mean anything about the firearm your shooting. Another thing, ANY magazine-fed 30 round, intermediate caliber, type firearm under 500 is garbage. These are your AR's, AK's, whatever, unless its specifically a gimmick. Anything under 500 is NOT solid, reliable, or anything close to that. I have no idea where you heard that from, unless its the sales person trying to sell you crap (which is unfortunately very common). I don't mean any offense or to ruin anything but it is the truth. Now for my advice, if that is really your budget, you have to save up some more. I PROMISE you will be happier and actually have a solid gun if you do. The best gun for your money below $900 (and really the only gun right now) is a WASR-10 they sell online (which is where you will get the most bang for your buck 99% of the time) at about $750. And they are VERY good for the money nowadays. On top of that you want to get 6 SGM tactical ak mag's (unless you can find good surplus for cheaper). And 300 rounds (210 to familiarize yourself with it, the other 90 to keep loaded in case of an emergency). Total that is about $950, and that is really the cheapest you can go if you want something solid. PM me if you want to know more. And again, I hate to give bad news, but it's really the truth. I agree with you on some things bu disagree on others. Yes, most intermediate rifles below $500 are crap. DPMS, the dreaded Delta Team Tactical, all dangerous junk. However I have never heard anything bad about the Del Ton except for the obvious shortcomings of the pencil barrel, which are a plus in certain conditions like home defense where you don't need to hit a sub MOA group at 300 yards and balance is key for speed. The shear amount of parts to build an AR-15 available since the patent expired means there are some junk parts, yes, but if you do research you can build one for half the price on average of a big name gun. You can also get exactly what you want from the start without having to spend more money modifying a factory gun. As for the WASR-10, I have heard horrible things about the more recent ones imported by Century. Cracked receivers, potential catastrophic failure after relatively few shots, all that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:06:24 GMT
There not bad for a budget gun but my point is that there not a solid or reliable rifle. A lot of people are happy with just getting something like from the del ton line sticking a SPARK on it and going with it. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that its just that it wont be a solid rifle. I mean if your dead set on an ar and don't want to save up a thousand plus get a windam weaponry MPC, a magpul ms1, and six pmags, and 300 rounds of good brass ammo, that would be about the same total price as before. And it isn't all about whats on the specs list, what matters is the quality of the gun, with a ratio of quality 60/40 parts quality. And there were a lot of problems with the old wasr-10's, but the new ones just run without problem from what I hear, I have never heard of a new wasr-10 having a problem (that was not a lemon) in like 8 years, (there is a lot of outdated info on them). And again, don't ever build an ar if you don't know what your doing, yeah if you do the numbers building one is cheaper, but only if you have the tools or experience. Otherwise your gonna end up going to a gunsmith to fix it which will be expensive. Anyway, best of luck with your ar buy or whatever you choose.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Nov 21, 2019 18:39:09 GMT
And again, don't ever build an ar if you don't know what your doing, yeah if you do the numbers building one is cheaper, but only if you have the tools or experience. Otherwise your gonna end up going to a gunsmith to fix it which will be expensive. I disagree, assembling an AR from parts on a stripped lower is very easy to do with nothing more than YouTube guidance and can be done with a few hand tools, especially if the upper is purchased as one piece (don't even have to worry about headspacing).
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Post by seth on Dec 6, 2019 20:46:33 GMT
I second the suggestion you build one--building them is fun. You can't beat PSA kits for the money: palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/rifle-kits.htmlI've built 4 off of PSA kits with great success. I've built a couple off of BCM parts too which are much more expensive but really nice. There are plenty of PSA torture test videos out there, and plenty of happy PSA customers. If an AR is your desire, don't go the WASR/AK route. AR's are like swords--AK's are more like axes.
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Post by howler on Dec 6, 2019 20:53:02 GMT
I second the suggestion you build one--building them is fun. You can't beat PSA kits for the money: palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/rifle-kits.htmlI've built 4 off of PSA kits with great success. I've built a couple off of BCM parts too which are much more expensive but really nice. There are plenty of PSA torture test videos out there, and plenty of happy PSA customers. If an AR is your desire, don't go the WASR/AK route. AR's are like swords--AK's are more like axes. "AR's are like swords--AK's are more like axes"...man, I got to remember that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 15:16:19 GMT
Hey, im just telling the truth, unless you have experience you shouldn't be building any firearm period. Unless it is just an upper and lower then there's nothing really wrong with that as long as there compatible. My guy, watching youtube videos isn't going to make you a certified gunsmith. A lot of those people on there can do that stuff because they have built multiple ar's in the past, it's not as easy as it looks. This is coming from a certified gunsmith who's been into guns since he was 12. Granted an ar is one of the easiest rifle's to maintain or build but it can go very wrong if you don't know what your doing. In tools alone you would probably need at least a hundred dollars in tools to make sure it's right. If you build one from the ground up yes, you can save a lot but if your not experienced (i.e. watching youtube videos for guidance) then there is a chance you will pop the gun, or make it unsafe. If you really want something custom, I would get an upper and lower, it's just not worth building one and have it go south, trust me on that one.
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Post by seth on Dec 7, 2019 15:47:33 GMT
Hey, im just telling the truth, unless you have experience you shouldn't be building any firearm period. Unless it is just an upper and lower then there's nothing really wrong with that as long as there compatible. My guy, watching youtube videos isn't going to make you a certified gunsmith. A lot of those people on there can do that stuff because they have built multiple ar's in the past, it's not as easy as it looks. This is coming from a certified gunsmith who's been into guns since he was 12. Granted an ar is one of the easiest rifle's to maintain or build but it can go very wrong if you don't know what your doing. In tools alone you would probably need at least a hundred dollars in tools to make sure it's right. If you build one from the ground up yes, you can save a lot but if your not experienced (i.e. watching youtube videos for guidance) then there is a chance you will pop the gun, or make it unsafe. If you really want something custom, I would get an upper and lower, it's just not worth building one and have it go south, trust me on that one. Well we are talking about building an upper and a lower so I don't know where you are going with the rest of your condescending post. Brownells AR building videos are great: www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=11004Those kits I linked to at PSA have assembled uppers which is a great way to go for a first build.
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Post by tensho on Dec 13, 2019 2:57:17 GMT
Yeah, I have a bushmaster with over 15k rnds through it and it's my go to rifle. Granted the bcg has been replaced. And also a Del-ton with over 8k through it(bcg replaced) really, your only issue is the BCG, and FCG. Barrel if you want accuracy.
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