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Post by markus313 on Nov 27, 2019 20:37:32 GMT
Aside from antiques (see my stats sheet for how light a cutlass-length original infantry hanger can be), I’d recommend the CS Cutlass machete. Perfectly functional, especially when given a more convex grind job towards the edge. Alternatively the Windlass Confederate Cavalry Officer’s saber if you want a chopper (although technically it's a cut-n-thrust design) at that length, and a “sword”. A 24" Cold steel Latin D-Guard machete can be fun, too and would be the lightest of the three, and easily manipulated. The machetes are more robust than most swords and easily maintained, and to carry.
You talked about training and machetes are able to give you that, in coherence to your described purposes/needs/mindset/current abilities. They handle much like some authentic cutlasses, really.
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Post by susieqz on Nov 27, 2019 22:08:37 GMT
thank you but i don't want a machete. i'm obsessed with actual swords. i know that savages run around the jungle killing people with these, but they were made as ag tools. i want something purpose made to kill people. if i was stronger, i'd get a collection of midieval swords like arming swords n broadswords. it seems like i have to settle for a sabre or cutlassy thing, but they are still swords. gals can be blood thirsty too.
i'm looking for a cut n thrust sword, maybe 30''. i could maybe handle 2 lbs.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 27, 2019 22:54:39 GMT
Careful with ACC sabres. From their page: “Each fine saber and sword is manufactured according to exacting government specifications. All blades are high polished stainless steel, detailed and appropriately etched according to government specifications. We guarantee that your military personnel, drill teams, students, graduates and customers will be completely satisfied with these sabers and swords. We are proud to be the largest official supplier to our elite fighting corp.
This US Navy Officer's Saber includes the government scabbard and has "USN" in filigree work on the hilt. Made by Windlass Steelcrafts. Please specify blade length - 28", 30", 32" or 34".”
Universal’s M1902 is not heavy and balances well, handles great, close to the Klewang. That and my Windlass M1840 are about the only swords that handle so easily. I don’t believe CS Dueling Saber will be as good of a good cutter due to weight and narrow blade. The M1902 is only a tad heavier, mine came in at 1 lb 11½ oz and PoB at 5½” a tad farther out than the Dueling Saber probably giving it a slight cutting advantage. While not the greatest of cutters the M1902 handles the usual backyard targets with no problems. It will severe heavy 1 gallon plastic jugs that acid came in. It seems to peak out on trying to halve 1 gallon heavy wall cloro jugs. I believe it’s the shape of jug making the difference. The acid jugs have a rectangular cross section requiring less blade and I cut with the foible. The cloro jugs have a round cross section requiring more blade so I connect at the sweet spot and the M1902 fails to cut. If I back off and strike with the foible I’ll pass through those about like a disembowelling cut. I have no doubts it will decapitate a rattler with his head raised, and this will be the case normally. Also with its spear point it should be better at giving point, if that's of any importance. Before a work out try stretching then work out for shorter periods of time in the beginning. I believe the CS Spadroon is discontinued.
You sell machetes short. They have served well in many a war and I’ve severed a pig’s leg with one. I have swords that won’t do that. In my country machetes are king.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 28, 2019 2:56:17 GMT
I was talking about this "machete", I consider it a sword.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 28, 2019 13:03:46 GMT
Or this www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=CTK36024HC&name=Condor+Naval+Cutlass+ Condor makes good knives. It has a fat grip. The blade is 2.9 mm with a slight distal taper, good for this style and not the the thinner blade you probably associate with the typical machete sold in the US. The length is in the ball park of the Klewang. Nice weight and PoB for cutting. It’s been my experience that Condors come SHARP. I’ve considered this myself but am heavy with machetes and my cost would be an estimated $225-$250. Just bought another the other week that I need like a hole in the head but at 4 USD I couldn’t resist and it’s proving super but another story.
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Post by susieqz on Nov 28, 2019 15:31:54 GMT
thank you. is there any way to tell if this sword is nimble by looking at these measurements?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 28, 2019 15:41:35 GMT
For "nimble" speak the weight under 2 lb and the thin blade. The PoB could be closer to the guard perhaps, it's still a CUTlass.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 15:52:38 GMT
thank you but i don't want a machete. i'm obsessed with actual swords. i know that savages run around the jungle killing people with these, but they were made as ag tools. i want something purpose made to kill people. if i was stronger, i'd get a collection of midieval swords like arming swords n broadswords. it seems like i have to settle for a sabre or cutlassy thing, but they are still swords. gals can be blood thirsty too. i'm looking for a cut n thrust sword, maybe 30''. i could maybe handle 2 lbs. Have you looked at the A.P.O.C. broadsword? sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/product866.html
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Post by susieqz on Nov 28, 2019 16:51:17 GMT
hey guys' do you see anything on the scratch n dent section that looks good? i'm gonna order that sword pgandy found n i could add something to get free shipping.
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Post by susieqz on Nov 28, 2019 16:55:53 GMT
you guys are an amazing group! you'VD helpEd me so much. HAPPY THANKSGIVING !
MY BEST WISHES go to people that are far away n don't celebrate this holiday, too.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 17:12:02 GMT
thank you. is there any way to tell if this sword is nimble by looking at these measurements? You can get a very rough ballpark sense of how a sword behaves from measurements like overall size, weight and center of balance... but only a very rough sense. More detailed specs (including things like vibrational nodes and pivot points) can help get a more accurate impression, but you never really know how a sword will actually feel in your hand until it's in your hand. This is why hands-on reviews are so important.
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Post by susieqz on Nov 28, 2019 17:14:34 GMT
mok, could you please look at the sword pgandy found?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 28, 2019 17:40:09 GMT
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 17:42:14 GMT
Happy Thanksgiving! hey guys' do you see anything on the scratch n dent section that looks good? i'm gonna order that sword pgandy found n i could add something to get free shipping. How about the Windlass Warbrand? It's a somewhat speculative kind of long falchion or very short polearm, based on some intriguing illustrations from the Maciejowski Bible; it's unusual and stylish, yet recognizably Medieval, and a two-handed sword should give your elbow a bit of a rest. The 1796 Light Cavalry Saber is one of Cold Steel's better liked offerings. Likewise, the Arbedo longsword is one of the most popular items from Windlass at the moment.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 17:59:54 GMT
mok, could you please look at the sword pgandy found? It seems fairly light, but is balanced quite far from the hand; in a short and light blade like this, the far forward balance can actually be a good thing. It could well be a nice little chopper, light and handy yet surprisingly powerful for its weight. The handle looks very thick and squarish, but that could probably be remedied with some filing, if needed (in which case I'd suggest leaving it thick at the butt end and growing slightly thinner towards the blade, like on the original klewangs, for added grip security and comfort). ...or it could be a total clunker, too, for all I personally know! But, FWIW, I've heard mostly good things about Condor in general.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 28, 2019 18:30:33 GMT
All but one of those is either heavier or equal to the weight of the Windlass Falchion that is giving problems. They are also munitions grade which maybe will be an issue. The Condor is lacking in the thrusting department which should not be an issue for cutting weeds or lopping of rattler’s head. While lacking in the thrusting that does not mean it won’t thrust. My 26” Latin machete with its 2 mm will make it through plastic gallon milk jugs easily. OK, soft target. The Condor’s Cutlass shape will permit effective ground strikes to a snake as well a raised head. The scales of the Cutlass are wood and if the grip proves to be uncomfortably large should be able to reduce. Red points out the ease at which he can do wrist cuts, an area of interest I’m sure.
As for it being light, it weighs the same as my Klewang, 1 lb 8 oz.
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Post by susieqz on Nov 28, 2019 18:55:40 GMT
well, i ordered the condor sword. thanks everyone. i may still be looking for a klewang but i won't know for a couple days. that review said it didn' have a point. it looks like it has a point, but if not, i'll make one.
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Post by markus313 on Nov 28, 2019 19:28:51 GMT
I think you made a good choice. Let us know how you like this one.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 28, 2019 20:09:58 GMT
Glad you made a choice and I think it was a good one. Don’t leave use hanging. We would like to know your thoughts after you have a chance of a fair trial, or two your initial thoughts then how it is really working out for you. Don’t be quick to make any changes as what that may not feel all that good initial will disappear in time. As for the point it doesn’t appear the best for thrusting be will to some extent. But not a problem for whacking weeds and a snake. Be VERY CAREFUL if you modify it. I know several, including Red, that messed up by trying to make a true clip point of theirs, usually a CS. It can be tricky. I’ve sharpened two clip points and lucked out. As for the grip I’ve heard several complain about the size and to some extent the shape. It is better to be boxy, even better oval, than round as round grips make edge alignment more difficult. If the grip doesn’t agree with you and you don’t feel comfortable reworking it find a cabinet maker or better a wood worker and pay him. If they use a vise to hold the blade make sure it’s padded. I really think considering everything you made the right choice. And if it needs a little adjusting don’t feel badly as many people on the forum will make modifications to suite their personal needs, some minor like adding tape to the grip, trimming the grip, to more major like reshaping the blade or changing it. But for the moment don’t worry about such, just use it as is and enjoy.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2019 20:43:58 GMT
Yeah, please do let us know what you think of it!
If you really plan to modify the point into a true sharpened clip point, I'd seriously recommend doing it with a half round file rather than power tools. It takes much more time, sure, but it's also much harder to make any irreversible mistakes, and you won't have to worry about overheating the thin blade.
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