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Post by Robert in California on Oct 12, 2019 12:57:54 GMT
I was just over at Jkoo's site (www.sinosword.com). They have some higher grade, interesting katanas on discounted sale. Interesting stuff. RinC
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 12, 2019 14:20:55 GMT
interesting indeed. i wonder how can they sale those "higher grade" swords for such a low price ...... it makes you wondered if they skimped out on a lot of things
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Post by maewyn on Oct 12, 2019 14:23:56 GMT
I checked,where are they?Cant find them.
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Post by maewyn on Oct 12, 2019 14:25:14 GMT
interesting indeed. i wonder how can they sale those "higher grade" swords for such a low price ...... it makes you wondered if they skimped out on a lot of things You found them?I checked the discount section but didnt see them.Hmm.
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 12, 2019 14:28:13 GMT
interesting indeed. i wonder how can they sale those "higher grade" swords for such a low price ...... it makes you wondered if they skimped out on a lot of things You found them?I checked the discount section but didnt see them.Hmm. nope , all i see is just average to below longquan stuff . i don't see any high grade swords at all.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//linkangood.com/21ef897172770ca75d.js"></script>
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Post by Robert in California on Oct 13, 2019 14:23:52 GMT
www.sinosword.com/big orange banner at the top of the home page. click on it. looks like some custom orders that the customer did not pay for. Life happens I suppose. Years ago, I ordered an item. Had not prepaid. Shortly after, I had serious financial setback. (what's the old wheeze? "How to make $1,000 in the stock market? Start with $100,000...." :-) I had to back out of the order. That pissed the seller, which I could not blame him for. Fault was mine....took years to make it back up to him and restore good relations. But life can happen, despite our wishes otherwise...finances, healthy, relationships, etc. .... This discounted sale stuff on the Sinosword site looks to be higher class stuff for them. Will it be "higher class stuff" to folks to whom swords under $1,000 are junk? Probably not. But for us budget limited folks, some of those look pretty interesting. BTW, this "off the shelf" Jkoo/Sinosword dotanuki katana I recently received (listed for about $219 plus shipping...$51 for me in California), looks pretty good. Actually I wanted one of those $600 Huawei dotanuki katanas ( www.huaweiswords.com/ ) but too many other bills to allow me to buy one. Other than some "blade-in-saya" rattle, so far, all looks good on it. I plan a review when I have time. RinC p.s. A very knowledgeable and very, very senior (in ability in our hobby) guy thinks well of Sheng swords. He knows his swords and IMO, if he says he likes Sheng swords, then they are worth a close look. I do wish the Sheng site had better pics (pics at the site I went to had pics like Hanwei site pics....few and poorly done).
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 13, 2019 16:30:33 GMT
It doesn’t matter if you like it or not but you’re giving off the perceptions that they’re something they aren’t. Plus they have over close to 7-8 years to improve upon their quality with little to no change over that time span. With that I don’t see that they’re willing to improve at all and just happy dealing average to subpar swords for their niche price range.
If you say a sword is perfect then I would expect it to be somewhat close to perfection but a habaki that needs slimming with jbweld ,a rusted blade upon arrival , or a mune that isn’t even close to being symmetrical then you seriously need to pick up one of their competitors swords and see how much better you can get.
with the recent influx of their swords coming to all the sword groups , i thought their increased popularity would somewhat effect their quality control but it looks like nothing has change at all . little to no quality control at all . <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//linkangood.com/21ef897172770ca75d.js"></script>
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Post by nomecharles on Oct 13, 2019 17:32:55 GMT
Really nice stuff. The Toran hamon Musashi blade is just like the one I rejected (full bohi instead of partial). The suede itomaki catched my eye. I hope they offer that option soon.
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Post by Robert in California on Oct 14, 2019 0:19:57 GMT
He's a good guy. Maewyn's brother. Don't know about co-signs though. Don't think he would say that. RinC
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Post by theophilus736 on Oct 14, 2019 0:45:19 GMT
It doesn’t matter if you like it or not but you’re giving off the perceptions that they’re something they aren’t. Plus they have over close to 7-8 years to improve upon their quality with little to no change over that time span. With that I don’t see that they’re willing to improve at all and just happy dealing average to subpar swords for their niche price range. If you say a sword is perfect then I would expect it to be somewhat close to perfection but a habaki that needs slimming with jbweld ,a rusted blade upon arrival , or a mune that isn’t even close to being symmetrical then you seriously need to pick up one of their competitors swords and see how much better you can get. with the recent influx of their swords coming to all the sword groups , i thought their increased popularity would somewhat effect their quality control but it looks like nothing has change at all . little to no quality control at all . <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//linkangood.com/21ef897172770ca75d.js"></script> So who are the competitors with better swords?
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 14, 2019 1:34:17 GMT
It doesn’t matter if you like it or not but you’re giving off the perceptions that they’re something they aren’t. Plus they have over close to 7-8 years to improve upon their quality with little to no change over that time span. With that I don’t see that they’re willing to improve at all and just happy dealing average to subpar swords for their niche price range. If you say a sword is perfect then I would expect it to be somewhat close to perfection but a habaki that needs slimming with jbweld ,a rusted blade upon arrival , or a mune that isn’t even close to being symmetrical then you seriously need to pick up one of their competitors swords and see how much better you can get. with the recent influx of their swords coming to all the sword groups , i thought their increased popularity would somewhat effect their quality control but it looks like nothing has change at all . little to no quality control at all . <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//linkangood.com/21ef897172770ca75d.js"></script> So who are the competitors with better swords? Look at huawei , Hanwei, dynasty forge, and munetoshi. None of them has the same issues that sinosword has.
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Post by ssjson on Oct 15, 2019 1:17:17 GMT
Oh yes they do. I've had issues with ALL of the above
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 15, 2019 3:01:15 GMT
Oh yes they do. I've had issues with ALL of the above Oh yeah? What’s the rate of occurrence with those problems from each of those brands or they just a single incident? Which problems had you have with them? Do they all come with unfitted habaki? Rusted blade upon arrival? Unreliable heat treatment? Uneven mune? Cheap pot metal fittings? Not one production sword company is free from having problems in quality control but sinosword has more than people are willing to admit.
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Post by Robert in California on Oct 15, 2019 4:26:14 GMT
"Oh yeah? What’s the rate of occurrence with those problems from each of those brands or they just a single incident? Which problems had you have with them? Do they all come with unfitted habaki? Rusted blade upon arrival? Unreliable heat treatment? Uneven mune? Cheap pot metal fittings? Not one production sword company is free from having problems in quality control but sinosword has more than people are willing to admit." =============================== Hi John, Hope you are well. He did not have reason to like Sinoswords...first eval katana sent was a T10 which did not have good heat treatment and bent. Second (replacement) was DH 1095 but heavier than desired. Third attempt by Sinosword was a sanmai which, like even Huawei told me, was softer steel and did not hold its razor sharp edge as long as a DH mono blade would have. So can't blame him for his dislike. If I had had really good swords (i.e. Budo, etc), I'd probably have similar attitude.
I'm happy to say my Sinosword SH 1095 katana (I reviewed it in the "I don't like this sword" review due mirror polish when I had asked for their fingerstone-like "cosmetic" polish, being ko-kissaki, etc....turns out to have a pretty good blade. I was cutting milk cartons and water bottles (fun stuff, not anything that tests a blade really). And I did a full power one hand cut which went low into the aged 4x4" pressure treated post. No edge roll, no chip, no bend, shock when up the blade but no looseness anywhere. Nice. Pretty sword, nice feel, good balance. One day I have time, I plan to repolish it with fingerstones to get rid of the mirror polish. Then I'll like it a lot better (I simply don't like mirror polished blades....not traditional). The fittings on my half dozen or so Sinoswords are either iron or brass. I have a nice Huawei folded waki with "pot metal" fittings (if one wants to call aluminum thus). Can one get a Sinosword with pot metal fittings? I did not know that option was available...thought the choices were iron, brass or copper with Sinosword. RinC
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Post by Dandelion on Oct 15, 2019 4:31:14 GMT
Oh yes they do. I've had issues with ALL of the above Oh yeah? What’s the rate of occurrence with those problems from each of those brands or they just a single incident? Which problems had you have with them? Do they all come with unfitted habaki? Rusted blade upon arrival? Unreliable heat treatment? Uneven mune? Cheap pot metal fittings? Not one production sword company is free from having problems in quality control but sinosword has more than people are willing to admit. For whats worth: we have actually three of them here: none of your problems; though habaki are better fit on our Huawei models. Price go from 79 USD promo up to 299 USD custom. Especially NO rust at all... strange. Transportation or climate issues?
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 15, 2019 5:12:58 GMT
"Oh yeah? What’s the rate of occurrence with those problems from each of those brands or they just a single incident? Which problems had you have with them? Do they all come with unfitted habaki? Rusted blade upon arrival? Unreliable heat treatment? Uneven mune? Cheap pot metal fittings? Not one production sword company is free from having problems in quality control but sinosword has more than people are willing to admit." =============================== Hi John, Hope you are well. He did not have reason to like Sinoswords...first eval katana sent was a T10 which did not have good heat treatment and bent. Second (replacement) was DH 1095 but heavier than desired. Third attempt by Sinosword was a sanmai which, like even Huawei told me, was softer steel and did not hold its razor sharp edge as long as a DH mono blade would have. So can't blame him for his dislike. If I had had really good swords (i.e. Budo, etc), I'd probably have similar attitude. I'm happy to say my Sinosword SH 1095 katana (I reviewed it in the "I don't like this sword" review due mirror polish when I had asked for their fingerstone-like "cosmetic" polish, being ko-kissaki, etc....turns out to have a pretty good blade. I was cutting milk cartons and water bottles (fun stuff, not anything that tests a blade really). And I did a full power one hand cut which went low into the aged 4x4" pressure treated post. No edge roll, no chip, no bend, shock when up the blade but no looseness anywhere. Nice. Pretty sword, nice feel, good balance. One day I have time, I plan to repolish it with fingerstones to get rid of the mirror polish. Then I'll like it a lot better (I simply don't like mirror polished blades....not traditional). The fittings on my half dozen or so Sinoswords are either iron or brass. I have a nice Huawei folded waki with "pot metal" fittings (if one wants to call aluminum thus). Can one get a Sinosword with pot metal fittings? I did not know that option was available...thought the choices were iron, brass or copper with Sinosword. RinC Funny that you mentioned John. I talk to him on a regular basis and he’s even in the same group chat I’m in. Even he wouldn’t even recommend sinosword . The amount of problems on their swords alone isn’t worth the trouble when you can get something with less chances of problems from other brands .
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 15, 2019 5:15:38 GMT
Oh yeah? What’s the rate of occurrence with those problems from each of those brands or they just a single incident? Which problems had you have with them? Do they all come with unfitted habaki? Rusted blade upon arrival? Unreliable heat treatment? Uneven mune? Cheap pot metal fittings? Not one production sword company is free from having problems in quality control but sinosword has more than people are willing to admit. For whats worth: we have actually three of them here: none of your problems; though habaki are better fit on our Huawei models. Price go from 79 USD promo up to 299 USD custom. Especially NO rust at all... strange. Transportation or climate issues? It’s not my sword and no way I would add a sinosword into my collection. It has something to do with the type of lubricant they use that dries up while transporting and their lack of using plastic wrap to prevent the lubricant from drying out.
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Post by Dandelion on Oct 15, 2019 5:39:58 GMT
For whats worth: we have actually three of them here: none of your problems; though habaki are better fit on our Huawei models. Price go from 79 USD promo up to 299 USD custom. Especially NO rust at all... strange. Transportation or climate issues? It’s not my sword and no way I would add a sinosword into my collection. It has something to do with the type of lubricant they use that dries up while transporting and their lack of using plastic wrap to prevent the lubricant from drying out. I am confused; ours DID come in a plastic wrap, along with the typical styrofoam box. I even have pictures of the packed sword, let me search...
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Post by shobutengu on Oct 15, 2019 5:41:23 GMT
It’s not my sword and no way I would add a sinosword into my collection. It has something to do with the type of lubricant they use that dries up while transporting and their lack of using plastic wrap to prevent the lubricant from drying out. I am confused; ours DID come in a plastic wrap, along with the typical styrofoam box. I even have pictures of the packed sword, let me search... Must be “quality control” slipping up then because I have seen a couple with rust on them.
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Post by Dandelion on Oct 15, 2019 8:22:19 GMT
I am confused; ours DID come in a plastic wrap, along with the typical styrofoam box. I even have pictures of the packed sword, let me search... Must be “quality control” slipping up then because I have seen a couple with rust on them. Maybe; but you should have seen some of our Hanweis over the years; all of them went back, except the practical plus XL, which is flawless, and the Praying Mantis. But be sure, if that Praying Mantis would have been the full price (around 1400 Euro here)instead of second-hand it would have been sent back lightspeed as well: wavy fuller, two sides rayskin has completely different "grain"(?)/quality. The others had bent blades, wavy blades, loose fittings, loose wraps etc. You can get that sort of trouble with every maker i guess. Especially in Germany! Sword producers scrapyard. Remember how much Holger does hate DSA? I like their designs, and i wanted to try - and everything is fine with swiss saber; but i had to buy it all amyself.
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