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Post by legacyofthesword on Sept 28, 2019 3:47:58 GMT
Yea totally, you are such a cool buff deadly dude for saying so. Damn where do you get it Yea same with you. Two peas in a pod ... Okay ill stop being a bored dude 😂
This made my day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 3:53:26 GMT
Yea same with you. Two peas in a pod ... Okay ill stop being a bored dude 😂
This made my day. Im happy my display of self love entertained someone 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 4:35:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 4:38:19 GMT
Same energy
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 28, 2019 9:23:47 GMT
We Bavarians lost nearly every war we participated, against troops from so many countries we can't count. This made us stronger and more wealthy because the victors always came back later and spend much money as tourists. I'm not sure what's that saying about our warrior spirit... (Perhaps strategy is more important than combat techniques?)
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Post by MOK on Sept 28, 2019 9:35:40 GMT
When I was younger I had a hard time understand musashi. As I age I understand him a little bit more everytime I never finished reading the book of 5 rings, tbh. I got about a quarter way threw his material and quit. Been meaning to pick it up again though. For me it wasnt a matter of understanding it as much as I dislike alot of Asian literature especially anything heavy with philosophy. There tends to be alot of speaking in circles and talking around stuff over and over before getting to the point, imo. It's only 50 pages, and aside from the final one-page Book of the Void there's barely any philosophizing in it. The bulk of the text is just very simple instruction on how to learn to win fights, and some brief explanations of why certain things work the way they do (and with an exhortation to study and train hard repeated at the end of every single paragraph). It's no more esoteric or philosophical than any European fechtbuch of the era, and at least his "kids these days" bits are shorter and more to the point than Silver's. Personally I have a fondness for Harris's old brute-force translation, but its language is kind of idiosyncratic and many of the descriptions come across as needlessly metaphorical outside of their original cultural context, and there are much more accessible translations available...
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Post by MOK on Sept 28, 2019 9:49:37 GMT
Oh you want warrior music? Try some Mongolian folk metal from The HU!
(They just released a full album, The Gereg.)
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Post by christain on Sept 28, 2019 13:46:54 GMT
That was awesome, MOK! The thought of hundreds of heavy-metal Hun bikers coming at you with swords drawn is terrifying.
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Post by MOK on Sept 28, 2019 15:48:03 GMT
Sheesh! Even my 50-page copy is easily one-third footnotes, annotations and title pages... Maybe it's accompanied by extensive historical and biographical background and commentary? Or the other text also contained in that book is that much longer? Or they just use a HUUUUUUUUUUGE font...? I suspect there's also a significant issue of stuff getting convoluted in translation. Good translation is a complicated job even at the best of times, and gets more so the further removed from a common cultural frame of reference the original writer and the translation's readers get. McBane is admittedly an easy read, quite straightforward and modern enough that his language is still quite accessible to us as is (I would argue marginally more so than Silver, at least in parts), and Meyer and most of the other famous non-English writers benefit from modern translations by people who actually know the subject and take pains specifically to make the text accessible to our particular niche audience - and often omit the less martially relevant parts concerning then-current philosophy and politics and patron-praising, at that... On the other hand, at least Musashi doesn't write in verse, or indulge in lengthy parables about why Italian fencers are stupid, suicidal scam artists.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 21:35:32 GMT
Oh you want warrior music? Try some Mongolian folk metal from The HU! (They just released a full album, The Gereg.) I always wanted to make some native American style metal. Not the same ol "you took my land and hurt" me drivel that's popular among my people, but something empowering like what you shared. Thanks for sharing it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 21:36:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 1:41:42 GMT
Yea i like to be elusive But I enjoyed the book of the 5 rings. You reminded me I gotta give it a read again sometime soon. And do you have a pdf of that book? The autobiography There used to be a pdf floating around the internet but I havnt seen a link in a long time, tbh. I dont know if there were copyright issues or something along those lines. I bought a used copy off Amazon for dirt cheap. Here is a really good lecture that gives you a run down on McBane's life and covers quite a bit of the books material Thank you very much for the YouTube link. I'll play it on my tv as I do home work. I love audiobooks when I'm doing tedious tasks
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Post by theophilus736 on Sept 29, 2019 2:20:50 GMT
So many warriors cultures were highly religious. A shame to leave them all out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 2:51:35 GMT
So many warriors cultures were highly religious. A shame to leave them all out. I appreciate the religion part of it as long as it isn't disparaged. I respect all spiritualities and the impact it has on the human psyche
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 29, 2019 6:58:05 GMT
That's true, religion is a strong part of warrior cultures, just look at the djihadists.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 29, 2019 9:11:29 GMT
DEUS VULT was always a good excuse to raid the other guys. What I like in the Germanic term "warjaz/varii" as the origin of the term "warrior" is the idea of defending your country, not invading another. The guys of the migration era misunderstood something obviously.
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Post by theophilus736 on Sept 29, 2019 15:25:13 GMT
DEUS VULT was always a good excuse to raid the other guys. What I like in the Germanic term "warjaz/varii" as the origin of the term "warrior" is the idea of defending your country, not invading another. The guys of the migration era misunderstood something obviously. Deus Vult was often a great way to get excommunicated when used as an excuse to raid the other guys. Funnily enough the Germans were generally the ones who used that excuse to invade others the most in the history of Christianity. The Crusades as a whole were defensive wars, but the Rhineland crusades were some of the most obviously evil. (Germans) Edit: cant forget the Tuetons invading Poland (Catholic country at that time) using them being heathans as an excuse, hotly debated at the time by other Catholics.
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Post by MOK on Sept 29, 2019 16:52:07 GMT
Speaking as a mod: Tread very carefully if you want to discuss religion, and DO NOT drag current politics into it. No, not even by indirect implication. I see no good reason why we couldn't have a civil conversation about the warrior cult of Mithras or whatever, but if I see things turning towards another tantrum-off, I'll be very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 16:53:56 GMT
Deus Vult was often a great way to get excommunicated when used as an excuse to raid the other guys. Funnily enough the Germans were generally the ones who used that excuse to invade others the most in the history of Christianity. The Crusades as a whole were defensive wars, but the Rhineland crusades were some of the most obviously evil. (Germans) Edit: cant forget the Tuetons invading Poland (Catholic country at that time) using them being heathans as an excuse, hotly debated at the time by other Catholics. All cultures have had these issues, right and wrong or good vs evil is really a matter of perspective. I dont disagree with what youre saying here because youre not wrong but I feel like we are turning this conversation into the type of religious conversation Ifrit was trying to avoid. Yea the problem with armies is its made up of people. And even if the majority doesn't participate in rape, if a few do, then the whole movement is branded as rapists lol. Can't be avoided. Stereotypes are loved and used heavily against any group, but when it's used against theirs its all "hey that was a few individuals". On another note, this is about the mentality of warriors and training. Not so much the morality, as I assume we have our own idea of what morality is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 16:55:07 GMT
Speaking as a mod: Tread very carefully if you want to discuss religion, and DO NOT drag current politics into it. No, not even by indirect implication. I see no good reason why we couldn't have a civil conversation about the warrior cult of Mithras or whatever, but if I see things turning towards another tantrum-off, I'll be very disappointed. Thanks for that. I entirely agree. It's not like I'm suggesting we band together and go raid places with our swords 😂 so in theory, it should be easy to discuss it among each other 😎
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